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#1 The Fresh PtwP

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:43 AM

Can someone explain to me why Dany is going to make Tyrion Lannister anything but a hostage?

 

Advisor, dragon rider, Hand?!?!? Why should Dany give anything to a Lannister? Or better question, what makes so many people certain that she will?

 

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#2 LordStoneheart

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:47 AM

She already has saved him once before in the pits.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:01 AM

She already has saved him once before in the pits.

 

She did that intentionally fully aware of who he is? If not, and we know she didn't, then well, the argument is not valid.

 

I think it will have something with Tyrion fighting for cause in Meereen, him possibly saving people from dragons, his smartness and knowledge about Westeros and dragons etc... It will be combination of reasons, by I believe she will learn to trust him at some point.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:09 AM

I'm just saying that if she would save him not knowing who he was at all, she might not fly off the handle just knowing his name is Lannister.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:16 AM

A hostage???

And whom would she bribe with him? To which of her antagonists is he of any value alive?
She is the only power to whom this particular Lannister could be useful alive, the point is when and how she will find out.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:17 AM

I imagine the whole thing going like this:

 

Dany: "Lannister?! Why should i trust you? Do you know what your father did?"

Tyrion: "Do you know what your father did?"

Dany: "What's that supposed to mean?"

Barristan: "Well, here's the thing, my grace..."



#7 Mladen

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:41 AM

I'm just saying that if she would save him not knowing who he was at all, she might not fly off the handle just knowing his name is Lannister.

 

With that lovely warning by Quaithe? Remember, she has more than one reason not to trust him.

 

 

A hostage???

And whom would she bribe with him? To which of her antagonists is he of any value alive?
She is the only power to whom this particular Lannister could be useful alive, the point is when and how she will find out.

 

LOL... I agree.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:44 AM

Eh, I feel like she doesn't really trust Quaithe as much as some people think, but yes, I can also see her not receiving him well... I have nothing further to add in defense of Tyrion so I'll defer to the best argument I've ever seen about him:

 


if you painted him blue he's a smurf how can you hate smurfs?



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:50 AM

My guess is that in TWoW Tyrion will save Meerean from the Yunkia via the second sons or something like that. This will put him in Dany good books because he saved her shit hole of a city.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 11:45 AM

She's going to start off suspicious of him, for sure.  He's one of the Usurper's dogs, from her perspective.  Also, assuming he shows up with Jorah, that complicates matters significantly - but exile or no, Dany has a soft spot in her heart for Jorah, so a little of that might rub off on Tyrion.

 

Possibly she'll refuse to see him at first, either for the Usurper's dog reason or the Jorah's companion reason, and it might take some heroic act like Tyrion's Nose is talking about just to get him into her audience chamber, but ultimately, she's going to hear him out, and Tyrion can pretty much talk his way out of anything.  In this case he'll be talking himself into something, Dany's trust, or at least into her willingness to let him hang around for a bit.

 

Once she spends a little time with, she'll quickly see what an invaluable resource he is, because Dany is no fool and it will be obvious.  Tyrion is generally smart, well-read and, as Tywin put it, cunning, but the biggest thing, as I mentioned in another thread, is that he is uniquely suited to be Dany's advisor on Westerosi politics.  Nobody else has his combination of knowledge of the major players and a relatively neutral and disinterested position on everything.

 

She needs him, and I'm sure he can get that across to her.  All he needs is a few minutes in her audience chamber, and he will make it rain.

 

He'll get her to accept Jorah back into her council, too.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:02 PM

- He killed two of her biggest enemies

 

- He's the perfect person to help her take KL (he even successfully defended the city from invasion)

 

- He knows about Aegon (probably the most important reason)

 

- Illyrio sent him and Dany kind of trusts Illyrio

 

- He's incredibly clever and charming and will find a way of getting her on side



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:16 PM

Because Dany is in desperate need of someone that can explain to her the current situation in Westeros. And Tyrion seems like the only one available. 



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:30 PM

Dany shouldn't trust him.  But Dany doesn't always trust the people she should.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:50 PM

- He killed two of her biggest enemies

 

- He's the perfect person to help her take KL (he even successfully defended the city from invasion)

 

- He knows about Aegon (probably the most important reason)

 

- Illyrio sent him and Dany kind of trusts Illyrio

 

- He's incredibly clever and charming and will find a way of getting her on side

All of this, plus Casterly Rock.  He's the way in.  Remember when Dany's men (led by BBP and Jorah, IIRC) went into that city through the sewers?  And remember how Tyrion was in charge of the sewers back home?  No one knows them better than he does.  

 

Trust him? No, but take him on anyway because he can be valuable.  You don't have to trust someone to realize their value and work together for a common cause.  If he turns on her she can let Drogon have a nice appetizer.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:52 PM

I imagine the whole thing going like this:

 

Dany: "Lannister?! Why should i trust you? Do you know what your father did?"

Tyrion: "Do you know what your father did?"

Dany: "What's that supposed to mean?"

Barristan: "Well, here's the thing, my grace..."

:lmao:  Pretty much.  And there's always the "I killed Tywin Lannister, the usurper's dog" angle that he can use.  Also he knows the truth about Cersei's kids, and he hates Cersei.  If ever two people had common cause to work together, it's Tyrion and Dany.  

 

Just remembered, he's read everything there is to read about dragons.  It will be fun to see how much of that recorded knowledge turns out to be wrong.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:57 PM

He also is widely acknowledged to have killed the (usurping) king.  Even if he didn't do it.  That would be a strong point in his favor with Dany.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

I don't think killing Tywin or Joffrey makes Tyrion more trustworthy. It doesn't change him being a 'traitor ' against the Targaryan dynasty. A double traitor, if anything.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:13 PM

I don't think "I'm a kinslayer, work with me" is the way to start out.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:15 PM

She wouldn't. Especially if she's all BLOOD AND FIRE!!

 

Presuming they meet, and the fact that Tyrion is GRRM's favorite character, he might find some way to convince her. It's just not going to be as easy as alot of people seem to make it out to be.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:42 PM

I don't think killing Tywin or Joffrey makes Tyrion more trustworthy. It doesn't change him being a 'traitor ' against the Targaryan dynasty. A double traitor, if anything.

 

I don't think "I'm a kinslayer, work with me" is the way to start out.

 

:agree: