LordQorgyle Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It has been said that Rhaegar injured Robert pretty bad before Robert kill him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 ` Dawn is better than Valyrian steel. Also, Arthur's strength is being underestimated. When Jaime thinks about fighters he could best, he states that Arthur was stronger. If the best fighter (Jaime's hurt feelings be damned) in Westeros can't beat Robert than he's unbeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadwood Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 ` Dawn is better than Valyrian steel. What does better mean in this context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 For me Robert is way overrated i would put him in the level of a guy like Victarion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Bob is overrated. His best feat is killing Rhaegar who is much weaker than Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Arthur would try to slash at Robert, then realize that Robert is wearing plate. Arthur would then think "wait wtf? why am I using a sword on a battlefield dominated by plate armored opponents?" before he could Finnish the thought tho roberts hammer would be in his skull.Arthur's probably accounting for the thousands of non-plated adverseries who generally make up the bulk of any army and, at least in RL, do the vast majority of noble-killing. Additionally, when nobles do meet on the battlefield, it's usually on horseback.Robert does seem to find himself in the only kind of fight that suits him most a lot, so there's that. But whether GRRM can be counted on the orchestrate that vs. his 'best' fighter is hard to say.If we assume on foot, only against each other, with all passing infantry etc. giving them space to go Mano a Mano, and wrapping it all up when that's resolved, Robert stands a very good chance. It's one of GRRM's less realistic habits that this unlikely scenario keeps repeating itself so often, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Bob is overrated. His best feat is killing Rhaegar who is much weaker than Dayne. You realize Rhaegar was a great warrior too right? Robert also has the blood of Marq Grafton, Lord Fell and Myles Mooton on his hands. Thats four nobles, more than any other character in the series can claim that we know of. I don't think anyone doubts that Dayne would have had more skill than Robert. But not only does a warhammer completely change the playing field, we are led to believe that prime Robert was an unstoppable tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fresh PtwP Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 These two, along with Barristan are all part of that "too close to call" range at the top. Although I am getting really really really sick hearing that Robert (and every "big" character) has no skill. Where do we EVER hear that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Big Bobby B grapples him and then rams his antlers into the weak joints of his armour, Big Bob is now free to mate with the local females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Rhaegar was way better than average but still not even close to be as good as Dayne.Only Dany idealize her brother so much, both Jorah and Barristan already implied that Rhaegar wasn't as great as she think he was. Dayne would kill Robert in a fight, and i'm sure Selmy or AGOT Jaime would do the same thing more than any other character in the series can claim that we know of.Jaime killed Eddard Karstark,Torrhen Karstark and Daryn Hornwood in a SINGLE battle.I'm sure he slained even more noble than Robert in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Rhaegar was way better than average but still not even close to be as good as Dayne.Only Dany idealize her brother so much, both Jorah and Barristan already implied that Rhaegar wasn't as great as she think he was.That's not true. Barristan only objects to the idea that Rhaegar is without peer, and his objection is that no one is unbeatable; any fight can turn on the smallest factor like a loose rock or glint of sunlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Rhaegar was way better than average but still not even close to be as good as Dayne. Only Dany idealize her brother so much, both Jorah and Barristan already implied that Rhaegar wasn't as great as she think he was. Jorah's comment about Rhaegar had nothing to do with his skills but with him playing by the rules and losing because of that. Either he meant that he should have tricked Robert or that he was tricked by him, IF he's even talking about the fight that coasted him his life. For all we know, he meant in general. Barristan's comments do imply Rhaegar wasn't as great as people think, but I guess that's because Arthur was better, not exceptionally better. That doesn't mean Rhaegar was weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 For me Barry, Arthur and Jaime are better than Robert and i would also put Garlan, Andrik and Cleganes first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Jorah's comment about Rhaegar had nothing to do with his skills but with him playing by the rules and losing because of that. Either he meant that he should have tricked Robert or that he was tricked by him, IF he's even talking about the fight that coasted him his life. For all we know, he meant in general. Barristan's comments do imply Rhaegar wasn't as great as people think, but I guess that's because Arthur was better, not exceptionally better. That doesn't mean Rhaegar was weak.First doesn't necessarily involve trickery. It could be something as simple as him letting Bob regain his feet once he'd fallen or giving him a moment once he was injured or even just something like he paced himself in harm's way to cover his army's retreat. Second, he doesn't say anything about his being less than Dayne. He just says no one is peerless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Robert Baratheon is a worse version of the Mountain.The mountain is taller stronger, more durable and has more stamina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Robert Baratheon is a worse version of the Mountain.The mountain is taller stronger, more durable and has more stamina.There's no indication about either surpassing the other with regards to stamina. The other 2 yeah, but then Robert's quicker/faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Robert Baratheon is a worse version of the Mountain. The mountain is taller stronger, more durable and has more stamina. Wow by those qualifications, almost everyone is worse than the Mountain. And how do you know Robert has less stamina? It seems like you're making a ton of shit up. Some quotes about Bob His father had talked of him often: the peerless Robert Baratheon, demon of the Trident, the fiercest warrior of the realm, a giant among princes. This Baratheon is fearless. He fights the way a king should fight They said Robert Baratheon was strong as a bull and fearless in battle, a man who loved nothing better than war. We all know what my brother would do. Robert would gallop up to the gates of Winterfell alone, break them with his warhammer, and ride through the rubble to slay Roose Bolton with his left hand and the Bastard with his right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The last one from Stannis is ironic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 And im not sure if Robert is faster than Gregor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Wow by those qualifications, almost everyone is worse than the Mountain. And how do you know Robert has less stamina? It seems like you're making a ton of shit up. Some quotes about BobYou know the Stannis quote isn't actually meant as an indication of anything real, right?Edit: ninja'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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