MizasterJ Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Now that Maester Marwyn has 1. Aemon Targaryean's dead body2. Aemon's books3. Mance Rayder's child5. expert knowledge of blood magic and He left so suddenly for Mereen and Dany. Could this have had something to do with Quentyn's quest? It's pretty safe to say Marwyn is working with the Martells.The Martells keep trying to steal the dragons but.. What does Marwyn intend to do exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Adder of Dorne Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Reanimate Aemon's corpse and possess it, stealing his identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I don't think it's safe to say Marwyn is working with the Martells.. I think his alliances are very open to speculation , at this point. I'd love it if we were given a closer look at his Book of Lost Prophecies, though.. His true agenda could be beyond politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizasterJ Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 I don't think it's safe to say Marwyn is working with the Martells.. I think his alliances are very open to speculation , at this point. Then how do you explain the alignment between Alleras / Sarella Sand and Marwyn as wel las the fact that both Oberyn and Marwyn studied magic at the citadel and loved to visit brothels in oldtown. You don't think the two of them made arrangements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'd add that "the Martells" don't have a unified agenda, not a bit.And that any of them has an agenda to "steal the dragons" is a bit exagerated too.They gave one shot at marrying Targaryens, as they did in the past with people stronger than them coming in.Dragons are a plus, if they come in the marriage. Trying to steal them would enrage the dragonrider in success and in failure too.Even when Quentyn tryed to get a dragon, it was to impress Dany, not to flee away with it. The other part of this thing would be to explain how and why Marwyn would be working for "the Martells".He is not, rogue or official face-changing "mage" he may be. But i'll listen if I'm explained why I'm worng.Bye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Adder of Dorne Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 OP has fully internalised Skinchanging Sweetrobin's latest Dornish YouTube video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Spark of House Spark Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Reanimate Aemon's corpse and possess it, stealing his identity.He doesn't need the whole cadaver, just the skin from his face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think we need to know his agenda before we decide his he has a hidden agenda. the strangest connection is marwyn and mirrimazdur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Havinfun Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I dunno, are the Martells friendly with the Hightowers of the Reach? My recollection is that they are rivals. The Hightowers are alleged to be magicians of some sort, so if Marwyn is planning on being involved in any regional politics, it might be more likely with the Hightowers backing than with the Martells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunflashJT Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 OP has fully internalised Skinchanging Sweetrobin's latest Dornish YouTube video. Clearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Winter Rose Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 He doesn't have Mance's son. Gilly has him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Daario Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 It would seem that the Citadel is trying to eradicate magic. I think that possibly Marwyn is a bit of an idealist. Truth and knowledge are his goals. He strikes me as one of those characters who sounds really shady in the beginning but will probably end up being a great ally to Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulthosian Stark Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yeah I don't think Doran would have approved of Qs dragon scheme. He wasn't trying to steal them, neither is Arianne, neither is Q himself, he was trying to prove his worth. Plus shed still have 2 dragons, I'm sure a 2 on 1 dragon battle eventually would result in the quick death of the loner. Especially with Balerion being so much bigger.Marwyn, I feel he's trying to turn the tide of the magic hate movement in the Citadel. If he comes back having helped Daenarys tremendously im sure she would appoint him Grand Master or some sort of high role in the Citadel. I know they vote on the leaders, but dragons.I have no idea what he plans on doing with Aemons body. It freaks me out a bit, if he's going to pose as him he'd only need the face, if he was going to reanimate him wouldn't he of before he left? So nobody on the boat spreads the tale of a mage resurrecting an old man in Meereen. And it's sad, I know Aemon was desperate to get to Dany, and was sad there was no way he could help her. Then died on a boat partially do to some lowlife traitor. I've always had a soft spot for him and hoped he'd live till the end haha.Mayhaps he will revive him only so he can spend a day or short time with Dany? So he could "show her the way" as he says. Seems more in keeping with the story. Marwyn seems to want to help not hinder her so this would probably be the best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Adder of Dorne Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I have no idea what he plans on doing with Aemons body. It freaks me out a bit, if he's going to pose as him he'd only need the face, if he was going to reanimate him wouldn't he of before he left? So nobody on the boat spreads the tale of a mage resurrecting an old man in Meereen.I wasn't actually being serious lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I don't think it's safe to say Marwyn is working with the Martells.. I think his alliances are very open to speculation , at this point. I'd love it if we were given a closer look at his Book of Lost Prophecies, though.. His true agenda could be beyond politics. Agreed. I don't think he has any kind of political agenda, except getting rid of the grey sheep faction in the Citadel. I also think that the Book of Lost Prophecies would never be in press if it included all the findings of Marwyn ;) I am curious to hear what he could not write in that book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizasterJ Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 OP has fully internalised Skinchanging Sweetrobin's latest Dornish YouTube video. He certainly makes some good points and provides decent evidence, which is a lot more than I can say for most people that just remain skeptical of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizasterJ Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Alright so then lets just all play devils advocate and be skeptical and say that even though both Marwyn and Oberyn have a fascination with magic and studied at the citadel and loved to visit oldtown brothels, never made an alliance. Lets kinda ignore all those similarities. Where does that leave us as far as knowing Marwyn's allegiance / motivations? pretty much nowhere. Why would Martin lead us nowhere? sounds kinda boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Alright so then lets just all play devils advocate and be skeptical and say that even though both Marwyn and Oberyn have a fascination with magic and studied at the citadel and loved to visit oldtown brothels, never made an alliance. Lets kinda ignore all those similarities. Where does that leave us as far as knowing Marwyn's allegiance / motivations? pretty much nowhere. Why would Martin lead us nowhere? sounds kinda boring. Well I'm not playing devil's advocate. I've debated this at some length ( as have others) on S.Sweetrobin's own thread that went along with his videos. I just don't feel like doing it all over again here. He makes some interesting connections, but goes too far ,too fast, IMO. Everyone who ever studied to become a maester studied at the citadel. We don't know if Oberyn and Marwyn ever met. "Those" are not a lot of similarities, and some are overstated , such as "loved to visit Oldtown brothels" . We know Oberyn had motivations that were political and leading to vengeance. We don't know about Marwyn , yet. Why would you take it to mean Martin is leading us nowhere , if Marwyn's not closely tied to Oberyn and Doran? The character has only been introduced to us late in the story. Very little has been said about him prior to his introduction, and mostly, it's been said by Qyburn, who is an untrustworthy character..and whose own political leanings are also unknown. (Apart from gaining a position of enough power to allow him to continue his experiments with impunity), Qyburn was connected to the Brave Companions , and seems as sadistic as they are, but I don't buy that Doran has any connection to the BCs at all. Alleras may be where (s)he is simply because of curiosity about the glass candle , originally ... and we don't know if Marwyn knows his/her identity yet. There's more of Marwyn's story to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizasterJ Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 AFFC & ADWD were originally meant to be 1 story, likewise the events in them happen somewhat concurrently. Seeing as how AFFC was the book that finally introduced the Dornish perspectives, you would think the the whole Dornish arc would be a major aspect of this part of the story if not the main event of both books. ( deabatable? sure but still likely) I can't help but surmise that GRRM wanted Dorne to be a Major player, like top 3, probably as a foil to house Lannister and possibly Illyrio. Agreed? To me it just makes since that a lot of the events that have caused Lannister downfall would be tied to Doran somehow. No doubt Lannisters have many enemies but how many that are as cunning, smart, and powerful as him? You can deny Doran's involvement all you want, but doing so undermines the literature to a degree. How else do you explain the actions of the BCs? Do you admit that most of what they've done has been directed and harmed house Lannister? How much coincidence are you willing to believe just to stay skeptical? Or you could connect the dots as feint or few as they may be, It's your choice. but believing is the more entertaining option IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direwolf Blitzer Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Are we of the mind that Alleras is Sarella Sand? If so, how is she passing as a man? Could he be another of the Viper's bastards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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