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How about Balon's plan to attack the North to win independence? The North, aka, the other realm trying to win independence, should be their natural ally. It makes no strategic sense to attack the North to win independence from the South. He should be attacking the South. But he wants vengeance against dead Ned. He needed to choose, attack the north and stay loyal to the crown, or attack somewhere that will actually hurt the crown.

Balon's stupidity in choosing vengeance against a dead man vs actually doing anything that might secure independence for the II always baffles me.

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Writing economy isnt grrms best field.

Like LF allways generating Gold out of nowhere.

yeah. borrowing it from a bank on another continent?

Indeed. Which leads to the Hound carrying his gold around the Riverlands in an MMORPG bag
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Except Theon does follow Reeks advice & Bran & Rickon do not surface again so it kind of worked out for Theon.

I agree it was stupid of him but I guess I view it more as Theon being arrogant and too worried about the other Iron born viewing him as weak than a plot hole.

This.

But Theon is also still alive and Rickon has surfaced. At this point, however, I don't think it matters. The Iron Born may mock him, but the north might find sympathy. I say this very lightly but just as finding the boys alive could spark a negative outlook of Theon, finding them alive might spark something more positive.

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How about Balon's plan to attack the North to win independence? The North, aka, the other realm trying to win independence, should be their natural ally. It makes no strategic sense to attack the North to win independence from the South. He should be attacking the South. But he wants vengeance against dead Ned. He needed to choose, attack the north and stay loyal to the crown, or attack somewhere that will actually hurt the crown.

Balon's stupidity in choosing vengeance against a dead man vs actually doing anything that might secure independence for the II always baffles me.

Too much "the Iron way" for him I suppose. Balon took to much salt to the brain.

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How does Jon negotiate a loan with the most feared bank in the world when he has no assets or any way at all to pay it back?

There is the possibility that the Iron Bank thought they could perhaps strong-arm the realm into paying Jon's debt. I suppose they could have attacked the NW's, or threatened to, leaving the south unprotected. The threat of no NW could force some southerners to step up? Or KL? No idea.

Or the IB has more knowledge of what is really going on and sees Jon's cause as a worthy investment minus the risk?

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Minor points that don't make all that much sense to me:-

1. Roose Bolton allowing Steelshanks Walton openly to escort Jaime to Kings Landing. He's openly betraying Robb at that point, despite marching to the Twins. Anyone could have sent a raven to Riverrun informing them of this. Wouldn't Roose secretly release Jaime?

2. When Roose takes Harrenhall, pretty Pia has her hair shaved off and is gang-raped. A few weeks later, she seems to have completely recovered from this ordeal, as she's "the sweet simple giggling girl" that Qyburn sends to sleep with Jaime.

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I'm going to start this off with an example:

In ACoK, when Theon is looking for Bran and Rickon after they "run away" it makes no sense for him to take Reek's advice and kill the miller's boys. He even thinks to himself earlier in the chapter that Bran and Rickon will get to a village and the whole North will rally around them. His reason for doing it is that he doesn't want to be laughed at, but when the Starks turn up, as he has no doubt they will, he'll be laughed at even more for trying to pass them off as dead. Also, he'll be seen as truly a monster then by the people he wants to win over.

It can slip past the reader b/c you see Bran in the crypts and know noone's going to find him there, but Theon doesn't know that.

Do you think that a young immature guy who dares invading the castle of one of the most powerful regions in Westeros with a handful of soldiers and have just lost 2 of his most precious wards would be thinking rationally?

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Robert's "assassination".

It's not that he died due to his recklessness and being a drunk, not even that Cersei eventually got him, but the timing is really, really convenient. And then Ned gets blamed for it? Ugh.

It's probably rather contrived than a plot hole. Still annoys me the most, though.

This did pop in my head, but I think it's more a lame convenient thing rather than a true plot hole. That being said, even though I saw season 1 before I read AGoT, it's pretty obvious that Bob's death will happen sooner than later. Cersei's bit about Game of Thrones when Ned confronts her while Bobby is still alive was a dead giveaway. Plus all the other foreshadowing.

basically when Ned tells Cersei to take children away from KL , she acts and gets Lancel to give him overly potent wine

hence the Varys line that neds mercy was what kiiled robert

remember there had been moves to kill robert during the melee

even then, if ned followed renly's lead with the 100 swords etc he may still have got the upper hand so it was all a close-run thing and could have gone either way

not a plot hole imo

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I don't think some of you understand what a plot hole is....Balon being stupid is not a plot hole.



I suppose Tyrion meeting Catelyn in GoT can count as a plot hole. It's quite impressive how few plot holes there given the sheer scale of the series.


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Please explain, I missed that.

Well he wins 10,000 dragons in the tourney, which the Brotherhood without Banners apparently takes from him. However, his only baggage is what he carries on his horse.

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How does Jon negotiate a loan with the most feared bank in the world when he has no assets or any way at all to pay it back?

They own farms all throughout the gift. Once summer arrives, he can pay off his debts easily, or just get the IT to do so, since the NW is protecting their ass.

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Plot holes:



Winter lasts for years and years - how does life survive?



Some houses have been around for multiple millenia without the name dying out? Stark for example, which is in real danger of getting wiped out at the moment, has been around for 8k years.



Why would the doom of Valyria affect fire-breathing dragons?



How the hell can the microscopic island nation of the Iron Islands ever hope to conquer all of Westeros with such a low population? Euron's delusional.



That being said, it was pretty hard coming up with more than the first one. Well done, GRRM!


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@HelenaAndTheMachine

Thanks. Though I believe the amount the Hound leaves KL with isn't specified, so conceivably he might have spent the money on whores and wine and wasted the rest.

But speaking of the Hound: I've always considered the lack of reaction to Beric Dondarrions resurrections a plot hole. It's a miracle thought impossible and yet no new religions are started, his enemies don't run in terror and (in case this somehow were nothing unusual which nobody thought to mention to the reader) people's murder and killing plans don't account for the fact that the dead might return.

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