Jeo Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If mace the mountian(strong but unwise) and sam tarly(cowardice but wise) were ur sons who will u make ur heir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyannaisalive Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Its kind of a tricky question. Because I know what kind of person Sam is I would say Sam because he is smart but I would not count on him protecting the house through force obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sam, because his cowardice wouldn't matter in the event of an attack on your castle. You could just plump him up with pillows and put a helmet on his head, then jam him in the doorway. On account of his big belly, he would block off a lot of possible attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowford Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Gregor is good for combat. Also, nothing else. Always winning in single combat is not a required trait for a ruler. Even in war it's not actually useful, as one person in a whole army is still negligible, no matter how good they are at fighting. The answer should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Also, Mace the Mountain? Is this a character I've somehow missed? xPThat's what I was wondering. I'd choose Sam. I think intelligence is more important in a lord than martial skill. Look at Wyman, and Doran for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'd grant it to the son who can write a proper sentence in EnglishAndalese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Gregor at first, because if I named someone not my immediate son everyone would lose their minds. Then I'd have him killed somehow. Then Sam would be heir! Also, Mace the Mountain? Is this a character I've somehow missed? xP Add commas and the OP post makes a lot more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I would have Gregor murdered by 'accident' if I can. Whether he is my son, nephew, knight, etc, I can kill him, I would. If Sam is unsuitable as an heir I would have an other and disinherit him but someone like Gregor is seriously bad news. But I think Sam can become a good leader with guidance and any son of mine deserves some appreciation. Well unless they are Gregor because such scum is a grave threat to me, other siblings, inoccents and anything that is decent. Kinslaying is ok if we are talking about Euron, Ramsay or Gregor, would save everyone a lot of pain and needless abuse. Indeed considering who they are they probably would have already killed or abused a sibling giving the actual justification and reason for any family head to act against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Gregor is good for combat. Also, nothing else. Always winning in single combat is not a required trait for a ruler. Even in war it's not actually useful, as one person in a whole army is still negligible, no matter how good they are at fighting. The answer should be obvious. Well, neither Gregor nor Sam would be a good heir to a great House, but both of them would be a great second son, if I am the Lord of a great House, I could use Sam as an advisor and have Gregor commands my calvary, that would be perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'd wait for Gregor to commit some heinous crime, go to the King and ask him to do justice because i can't due to the kinslaying issue. I'll have witnesses and evidence, so he can't demand a trial by battle, and Ser Illyn does something good for a change. Sam isn't a lost cause, i think. If i'd try to educate him on politics and other important things as opposed to Tarly's insistence to make him a warrior, he'll turn out fine and he isn't all that naive when it comes to political scheming, he got Jon elected LC in a brilliant way, for example. He has the brains to be a good heir and all he needs to do is drop his cowardly act. With lots of loyal guards to protect him and a strong, supportive (think Cat-esque) wife, he'll quickly mature and gain some self-confidence. In my opinion, he's not far removed from Edmure (who was treated well which probably makes a huge difference) and they'd both be good lords during peace and need some veteran guidance during war but can still hold their own most of the time. We've met lots of horribly incompetent lords far worse than Sam/Edmure and they still somehow stayed alive and kept their lands. It's not that easy to lose your lordship unless you rebell or your family dies out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitbert Strangejoy Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If Gregor were my son, I'd send him on a hopeless military adventure or orchestrate an "accident" the first chance I got. Having him as kin is extremely dangerous to your health. Having him as an heir would be suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 One is a cold-blooded murderer, the other is all brawn and no brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitbert Strangejoy Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 One is a cold-blooded murderer, the other is all brawn and no brains. Puddles, RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 If Gregor were my son, I'd send him on a hopeless military adventure or orchestrate an "accident" the first chance I got. Having him as kin is extremely dangerous to your health. Having him as an heir would be suicidal. Why? Gregor was very useful in battlefield, and he could be handy when you do not want to have your hands dirty. Besides Gregor was loyal to his Lord, and I can not recall he committed anywanton crime without order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitbert Strangejoy Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Why? Gregor was very useful in battlefield, and he could be handy when you do not want to have your hands dirty. Besides Gregor was loyal to his Lord, and I can not recall he committed anywanton crime without order But the question is specifically about him being your "son" and "heir." When he was heir to the Clegane lands and gold, what exactly happened to his parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I'd keep plowing until I had another kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 But the question is specifically about him being your "son" and "heir." When he was heir to the Clegane lands and gold, what exactly happened to his parents? I already said Gregor would be a terrible heir, he could be an excellent second son though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitbert Strangejoy Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I already said Gregor would be a terrible heir, he could be an excellent second son though I don't know. I'd be worried about my first son! He's also just so unpredictable. If the Hound hadn't stopped him, he would have killed Loras and created bad blood between his leige and Mace. And for what? A silly tourney trick! Eventually he would almost certainly kill the wrong person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 I already said Gregor would be a terrible heir, he could be an excellent second son though A sociopath with mental issues, a drug addiction, and too much anger might be a useful son. He's not exactly an excellent son. If we're using his known actions as a guideline for what he'd do as a 2nd son, there is pretty much nothing stopping him from murdering you and your heir to get what he wants and I would expect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Gregor did have one good quality, he was loyal to his Lord till the very end. I would not say he is a sociopath, he is more like a blood thirsty wild animal, he was no Ramsay, and he respects the authority of his superior, he was always under Tywin's control, and only causes mayhem when unleashed by his Lord.Never say he would receive the reward of son of the year, if his father or his elder brother is not strong enough to control him, then it is their own fault and the House would be doom anyway with or without him as the second son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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