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I'm pretty sure we all know that House Stark is going to make a comeback by the end of the series. I mean, the last book was originally entitled "A Time for Wolves", suggesting some sort of Stark revival. I think House Stark and newly formed cadet branches will rise to power not just again in the North, but the Westerlands, Riverlands, and Iron Throne.



If R+L=J proves to be true (which I believe it does), Jon is a candidate for the Iron Throne. Granted he may have to use the Targaryen name, rather than his newly legitimized Stark name, but he grew up believing himself to be half-Stark and will accord himself as such. House Stargaryen of the Iron Throne



Bran has sort of removed himself from the line of succession, paving the way for Rickon to become Lord of Winterfell. The Original House Stark of Winterfell.



Granted the TV show may have screwed up this aspect of the theory, but I firmly believe Dan and Dave will find some way around it. Jeyne is still technically a widow of Robb Stark, she can use his name. Her uncle, Rolph Spicer, has just been raised to Lord of Castamere. He is unwed, and his heir is his sister, Sybell... Who's daughter, Jeyne, is also in a line for succession of Castamere (a known anti-Lannister seat). I still think Jeyne is with child (possibly a boy) which would add all sorts of irony and confusion because Sybell was feeding her anti-fertility potions. Her possible son would legally be _____ Stark, and heir to Castamere. It would be even greater if, finally, Castamere was able to overthrow House Lannister, like the Reynes attempted to so long ago.


House Stark of Castamere



And finally TL;DR Sansa becomes Lady of Harrenhal http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/96512-house-stark-of-harrenhal-long-but-with-tldr-summary/


House Stark of Harrenhal



Granted this kinda goes against what I think can happen. It's just an interesting possibility, for a believed to be extinguished house to rise once again to rule the North, Westerlands, Riverlands, and Iron Throne.



Buuuuuuut that's just me.


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The Starks will never rule the Westerlands. Castamere is a ruin, it may still have gold but it is no threat to Casterly Rock anymore. The Westerlands have been ruled by the Lannisters for thousands of years, they would never accept the savage Northerners who just got done pillaging their lands rule over them.

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What I've always said, and as far as I know I'm the only poster on this forum who thinks this, is that the old House Stark died because they had no discernible intelligence program. Ned thought it was beneath him to employ spies and assassins. Robb thought about archers infantry and cavalry, but little about covert actions.



My hope for the future of House Stark is that Sansa is a master diplomat, Arya is a master assassin, and Bran can gather intelligence like no other character in the books.


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Regarding the "A Time for Wolves", I'll just leave this quote here, which I've put here on this forum multiple times already:



"According to the ancient Romans, the Hour of the Wolf means the time between night and dawn, just before the light comes, and people believed it to be the time when demons had a heightened power and vitality, the hour when most people died and most children were born, and when nightmares came to one."



Now, although I really really hope that the seventh book will be about the time of the Stark wolves, I have to say that it's not very likely. Which makes me sad, but still.



As far as the rest of your post is concerned, I like the idea! Arya's training as a master assassin, and Sansa's training by Littlefinger, Bran becoming the greatest greenseer (or a tree, whatever you like) and Rickon.. Let's just forget about Rickon. What I mean is that it has to lead to something, and I hope it's going to be great. Knowing GRRM, however, and his "bittersweet" ending, this probably won't happen in a good way.


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Jon in the Night's Watch.


Robb dead.


Bran is stuck in a cave, and probably incapable of having children.


Rickon hidden in some place, maybe remote and backwater Skagos.


Arya currently being corrupted and slowly, but effectively, brainwashed by a dangerous death cult.


Sansa is a hostage of a terribly devious and dangerous man.


A Bolton is a the new Warden of the North.


A Bolton has the suport of the Iron Throne.


A Bolton is the current Lord of Winterfell.


100% of Targaryens with dragons hate the Starks.


100% of people living south of the Neck don't give a shit to the Starks.


100% of the First Men living in castles in the North are a bunch of treacherous and backstabing guys, that would betray you faster than you say "Winter is Coming".



Stark comeback? Only if Martin want to finish the story with "and they lived hapilly ever after"...

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The only think that could give them a "comeback" is Ned's good reputation if the GNC is at least 20% true (since it has so many bs variations to cover every freaking possibility to be sure they are right somewhere), the Stark kids themself will have little to do with their family rebirth.


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I can foresee a Stark comeback and I think they will rule the north through Rickon presumably. Sansa I can see ruling in some capacity in the south. She would make a good queen but I can't imagine who her king would be. I can see her ruling the Vale but obviously she wouldn't usurp the Tullys in the riverlands (unless they all die in which case she'd be perfectly entitled). But I can't see any more than that.


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The Starks will never rule the Westerlands. Castamere is a ruin, it may still have gold but it is no threat to Casterly Rock anymore. The Westerlands have been ruled by the Lannisters for thousands of years, they would never accept the savage Northerners who just got done pillaging their lands rule over

Even in death, the name Tywin Lannister is hated throughout Westeros. In Dorn they hate him for the deaths of Elia an her children. In The Crownlands they hate him for the rape and plunder of King's landing durring Robert's rebellion. In the Riverlands they hate him for the raper and plunder during the war of the 5 kings. In the North, they hate him for The Red Wedding and for just being himself.

BUT, nowhere is he more hated than in the Westerlands where he is hated for running his own lands like Simon Legree. I think Sansa should take one opf HTH's bastards and get together with a half dozen of the more cowered noble houses of the Westerlands and say, "I have Tywin's true born grand-son here. 'Jamie Lannister', let's take all the lands of House Clegane, Lorch and Marbrand and have really big party.

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I don't see it that much. I mean I think they will have a comeback although I find it amusing when there's so much praise for realism when the more realistic thing would be that the Starks lose their power. They'd already been in power for thousands of years and just like every other ruling/powerful family there comes a time when that ends.

Anyways, if Bran remains a tree I don't see him as part of the pack. He will be extremely powerful but like BR have constraints on how he can influence things.Had he a been a boy with two legs and became the great warrior that he wanted to be he could have helped more. He could have taken Robb's place in the family but that won't be happening anymore. Also, he could have had heirs in that scenario.

Rickon is 5 or 6. I don't agree with some of the theories around him since he's 5 and a 5 year old has no business doing that stuff. Some want him to die though because they don't want him to inherit and use the Shaggydog thing as proof. If he dies I don't think that helps the family. It's not like they've got a lot of Starks.

It's far more likely Arya dies or goes out like Nettles than spends her life working with her family. Also, I see zero chance of children so no helping house Stark in that way. ETA: Plus, there are so many arguments that she doesn't really want to be an assassin. Then if that's true she wouldn't be an assassin for the Starks. All it changes is who she is killing for and there might be personal interest but I doubt in all cases.

Most think Sansa will survive although he could give us a surprise there. Anyways, how much she power she has depends on Rickon and the will and I personally think there are a lot of assumptions on the Vale supporting her. They see her ruling the Vale just by being Sansa when she has no claim there and also don't see her marrying SR or Harry and having their heirs which could give her some right in a regent scenario. I also think it's an assumption that an underage girl would be picked as regent for Rickon or SR.

Jon never identified as a Stark. He can help but I don't think he counts.


BUT, nowhere is he more hated than in the Westerlands where he is hated for running his own lands like Simon Legree. I think Sansa should take one opf HTH's bastards and get together with a half dozen of the more cowered noble houses of the Westerlands and say, "I have Tywin's true born grand-son here. 'Jamie Lannister', let's take all the lands of House Clegane, Lorch and Marbrand and have really big party.

I don't see evidence they hate Tywin and all would happen there was they would take the bastards and tell Sansa to be on her way. & the Lannister cousins may be ambitious and want their line to rule Casterly Rock over a bastard or someone like Tyrion. Jamie will likely be dead already.

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BUT, nowhere is he more hated than in the Westerlands where he is hated for running his own lands like Simon Legree. I think Sansa should take one opf HTH's bastards and get together with a half dozen of the more cowered noble houses of the Westerlands and say, "I have Tywin's true born grand-son here. 'Jamie Lannister', let's take all the lands of House Clegane, Lorch and Marbrand and have really big party.

Based on what? Nothing in the actual text for sure. None of his bannermen have shown any hatred towards him and their is nothing to suggest he mistreated the ones who remained loyal to him.

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If anything so far they seem loyal to Tywin. It may be out of fear but still they're loyal. He got rid of dissenters before asoiaf. Unlike Tyrells and Starks who still have bannermen who will either rebel or turn traitor.


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I think, although it's not realístic, that the Starks will return to power. Jojen has seen it.

But I bet on maybe, maybe only Sansa and Rickon surviving. I'd love them to be in power again, but I'm certain te ending hás more to do with the time of the wolf to ancient romans than a super Big Stark State. For me, It'll be more about putting together what survives after só many wars and destruction.

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Jon will never leave the watch. He had the chance and he did not take it. Jeyne is not preggo therefore a stark will not rule Castamere. Who knows what Arya will do. The starks will make a comeback but probably not in the way you think


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I'm pretty sure we all know that House Stark is going to make a comeback by the end of the series.

One would hope so. It would be bad writing to focus on the Starks so much in the beginning if they were to turn out to be not relevant.

I mean, the last book was originally entitled "A Time for Wolves", suggesting some sort of Stark revival.

Either that, or it suggests predators devouring the remnants of a devastated humanity.

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Based on what? Nothing in the actual text for sure. None of his bannermen have shown any hatred towards him and their is nothing to suggest he mistreated the ones who remained loyal to him.

Nothing in the actual text for sure. Give me an example where people enjoyed living under the thumb of a brutal tyrant and I will be forced to admit that I know nothing of human nature.

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The West men mourned Tywin, and honored him by where lannister cloaks escorting him on his last trip home. Tywin wasn't a tyrant, butcher sure, but under him the West grew to be the most powerful region in Westeros.


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Nothing in the actual text for sure. Give me an example where people enjoyed living under the thumb of a brutal tyrant and I will be forced to admit that I know nothing of human nature.

Show me where he was a tyrant to them? Putting down rebellious vassals isn't tyrannical and I suggest you read the history of the Westerlands excerpt and you might come to realize why he took such drastic measures on the Reynes and Tarbecks.

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