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Where is The Black Fish?


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I have always been fascinated with the Sansa chapters ever since Petyr helped her escape. Waiting to see what part the Vale is going to play in this war.



For this reason i want to beleive he is heading for the Vale. Im not sure if he knows Littlefinger married Lysa and if he does know that, I dont know if he knows Lysa is dead.


Say he knows both of these details, would he go to the Vale to hide from the Lannisters?



Another Question -


My friend beleives that Jeyne Westerling is with him. When Jaime describes Jeyne it is different then the way Catelyn described her. So he beleives the Blackfish took her with him. (he also beleives she is pregnant with Robb's heir)


If Jeyne is indeed pregnant and with The Blackfish, what could Petyr do to use this to his benefit?



What would The Blackfish think when he saw Sansa? (assuming they tell him who she is)



If this all happens (which i understand is unlikely), I would think The Blackfish would command the army of the Vale. Figure out how to join the North, but as of right now there is no way to communicate with them considering the Boltons are now serving the Lannisters and controlling the rest of the North through hostages.



So what can they do you ask? I will tell you!



DESCEND UPON THE TWINS!!!


I know the Twins is a powerfull castle and well provisioned and not gonna just fall meakly, but you must remember the reason Robb never lost a battle was because The Blackfish was his brains when it came to warfare. I dont know how but The Blackfish will figure out a way to take The Twins and save the Hostages in the Castle... If this happens all hell will break loose!



Also I would like for Great Jon Umber to rip out Walder Frey's still beating heart and eat it...



YOUR THOUGHTS!?!?! LOL (I understand this is wishfull thinking)


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Hahahaha, I'll take that DESCEND UPON THE TWINS theory every day of the week.



Personally I think he has gone to Greywater & we probably wont see him until Howland goes to Stannis or Rickon.



I seen somebody post that Jeyne is in the WOW prologue, so he could turn up in that to maybe try to rescue her. But I kind of believe, pregnant or not Jeyne is probably going to die.



If he has gone the Vale, I think he could see who Sansa is despite her disguise, which could lead to some great chapters.


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Well, he made a point of how he had sworn to protect Robb's queen. Could be that he's trailing / harrying the party that escorts her to Casterly Rock. (He seemed to be in cahoots with the BWB.)



Another theory is that he's still hiding at Riverrun and sabotaging the Freys, like somebody is doing it at Winterfell.


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Brotherhood Without Banners.



Thats true, he knows the Vale & will have powerful friends as well. he knows its secure & probably believed that Lysa was still in charge & that he could try to persuade her to march.



Loge, think that could easily be what he is doing. Pursuing the party.


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Jeyne ain't pregnant. I'm pretty sure GRRM allowing the show to go all stabby stabby on Robb's un-wife confirmed that. Then again, even if she is, and considering she's in the prologue of death, she could just die. Or the Blackfish could die. That would be kinda sad, though.


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I am assuming the Black Fish is with the BWB.



I am also thinking the BWB is looking to spring Edmure and has pretty well infiltrated the hosts that had laid siege to River Run.



We know that Tom Sevens has infiltrated and we have heard several times about how armies just kind of pick up men.



It would be real easy for Anguy and Notch and Kyle and maybe a couple other bowmen to just kind of show up and be like, "Hey look! I am a really good bowman!" and be hired by one army or another.



There was mention by someone (Ser Forly Prestor?) that he has, "his best bowmen" guarding Edmure.



There is no reason one or more of these, "best bowmen" couldn't be Anguy and some of his crew.



Perhaps their will be a few Brothers guarding Edmure and they will wear like a yellow cloth or something to distinguish them so when the Black Fish and the other Brothers ambush Edmures prison transfer they can cut him free and kill all the guards.



Its one thing to stop an ambush from without. Its completely another to try and repel an ambush AND deal with some of your own guys killing you from within.



The only other place I could see The Blackfish going would be someplace like Bear Island or trying to catch up with the posse that was sent to Grey Water Watch.


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Another Question -

My friend beleives that Jeyne Westerling is with him. When Jaime describes Jeyne it is different then the way Catelyn described her. So he beleives the Blackfish took her with him.

Wasn't the whole Jeyne with broad versus narrow hips explained by GRRM as a continuity error on his side?

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Yeah we'll probably find out in the prologue. Has any prologue character so far not died though?

The POV character in the Prologues do die.. but George said in an interview "let me clarify, I did not say Jeyne was the POV character. I said she would be in the prologue"

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Family, Duty, Honor

Brynden Tully's nephew and liege lord should come first. At the end of Feast, we discovered that the Botherhood without Banners had a plant in occupied Riverrun and Jaime discovered that Edmure allowed Brynden to escape before Jaime sent Edmure to Casterly Rock, along with Jeyne. Then we got one more chapter from Jaime in Dance when he linked up with Brienne. I have a feeling Brynden has already hit Forley's detchment and that we'll find out what happened early in Winds.

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Family, Duty, Honor

Brynden Tully's nephew and liege lord should come first. At the end of Feast, we discovered that the Botherhood without Banners had a plant in occupied Riverrun and Jaime discovered that Edmure allowed Brynden to escape before Jaime sent Edmure to Casterly Rock, along with Jeyne. Then we got one more chapter from Jaime in Dance when he linked up with Brienne. I have a feeling Brynden has already hit Forley's detchment and that we'll find out what happened early in Winds.

Pretty much this, though I'd add that in terms of duty Robb's last orders to the Blackfish were to appoint him Warden of the Southern Marches (that is, points south of Riverrun) and guardian of Queen Jeyne.

Add to that

George's apparent statement at SDCC that Jeyne will be in TWoW prologue, and I'm pretty certain the attack on Forley Prester's force is happening then. In fact I'd not be surprised if FP is the prologue PoV

Anyway, but the spoiler-y stuff, I've written much more in detail on the how and why here

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I agree that he is almost certainly with the BwB and the rest of the Riverrun garrison, and it's very likely that he's planning to spring Edmure and Jeyne. They also must have a plan to get back Riverrun, elsewise what would Tom O'Sevens be doing there in the first place? Having Jaime to maninpulate will be a big help. He's ordered the Freys to give their prisoners up to the IT; where are these prisoners? They will surely be happy to hand them straight over to Jaime ... et voila, river lords are back on side and northern lords are free to kill Boltons and Freys. Of course I'm sure it's more complicated than that.



I think it's entirely possible for him to go to the Vale to get them to finally get off their fat arses and go help and bugger Littlefinger. The Lords of the Vale would follow the Blackfish before they'd follow LF, except maybe the ones he's bribed. I love the idea of 'descending on the Twins'. Entirely possible - they'd stand no chance against the knights of the Vale.


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To me Forley Prester's column has been set up for failure by the Jaime chapters waxing lyrical about how competernt Prester is and the numerical strength of the force. Assuming the column is attacked, the Blackfish seems to be th elikely man to lead the assault, and this may well corroborate with what some of you guys are saying about the prologue.



I would like to think that between the Blackfish, Stoneheart and possiblt Edmure they could get a sort of Riverlands people's fornt going and start a fight back, hopefully involving Jaime, Brienne, rescuing Northern prisoners and sweet revenge on the Freys. A man can dream at least..


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