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How will they condense FFC and DWD into Season 5? (book spoilers)


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#1 tblackjacks

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 01:58 PM

It seems like Season 5 will officially cover Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons in its entirety, and I can see them fitting most of the already introduced characters' stories into one season, but how will they fit Victarion Greyjoy and Euron Greyjoy into the season? What about Aegon? I'm pretty sure these are absolute necessities to put in the show, but it doesn't look like they're looking for cast members for these story lines or anything. Maybe they'll fit them into Season 6 and the Winds of Winter storyline?



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:15 AM

Looking like Euron, Victarion, Aegon, JonCon, Arienne, and Quentyn will be hanging out with Coldhands and Strong Belwas.



#3 Marcus Agrippa

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:10 PM

Wait for more casting. The last casting news we got for season 4 was dec? they haven't revealed everyone yet. Still I doubt we will get all the Grey Joy brothers.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:18 PM

Can't say I would at all miss the Greyjoy side stories if they did indeed cut them.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:19 PM

Can't say I would at all miss the Greyjoy side stories if they did indeed cut them.

I think a euron/ victorian mix would be better then either character standing alone.



#6 sj4iy

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:24 PM

I think a euron/ victorian mix would be better then either character standing alone.


I suppose it depends on how those stories turn out as to whether we'll get any of them or not.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:50 PM

I suppose it depends on how those stories turn out as to whether we'll get any of them or not.

True enough. The fact that Balon is still alive in the show irks the living day lights out of me. The funny thing is the Greyjoys have 4 POV characters.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:01 PM

True enough. The fact that Balon is still alive in the show irks the living day lights out of me. The funny thing is the Greyjoys have 4 POV characters.

 

We did see Mel toss a  Balon bug in the fire, so his day will come.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 06:01 PM

they honestly just showed killed balon last season, to keep him around now is pointless.. 

 

im assuming theres a lot more casting to still be heard. So far we only heard about the Dornish and Kings Landing castings, but as we already know theres a lot more characters north of there......and west. 



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 06:20 PM

Aye agreed they have taken to long to kill him and he didn't show up at all in 4 so what impact is his death going to be?



#11 Lord of the Twins

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:12 PM

I believe that they will condense them into one season by cutting characters that look to have major roles going forward, and placing Trystane/Myrcella into those roles.  Since the cast release lists Trystane as heir to Dorne, I believe that Arianne and Quentyn have been cut, and that Trystane will partially fill the roles of Arianne, Quentyn, Victarion, and fAegon, while Myrcella will fill the roles of Euron and fAegon.  

 

I believe that in the show, Trystane leads the failed queenmaker plot, gets sent to Meereen, does Dragontamer.  If Victarion/Euron gets a dragon, he succeeds, and vice versa.  Trystane returns, thinks Daenerys dead, marries Myrcella, and declares himself king and Myrcella queen, replacing the fAegon and Euron factions.  

 

For the full show theory, look here, since it is more about character merges than combining the two books and doesn't belong in this thread.  Since this is a book spoiler thread, I'm not sure if needed but that theory has book spoilers and is in a book spoilers thread:  http://asoiaf.wester...-8#entry6071760

 

And I think at this point Balon will live and die only at the point in the book story when Asha is ready to initiate whatever she has planned based on Torgon the Latecomer, except in the show she or Theon would just inherit.  Either that or we do have Euron, and Trystane/Myrcella only take over the fAegon role.  



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:41 PM

Still Tyrion said in Season 2: Episode 3 when he was talking to Pycelle about forming an alliance with House Martell that "Princess Myrcella will marry their YOUNGEST SON when she comes of age. So Trystane can't be the only son of Doran in the tv series, otherwise this is a huge inconsistency. 



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:53 AM

Still Tyrion said in Season 2: Episode 3 when he was talking to Pycelle about forming an alliance with House Martell that "Princess Myrcella will marry their YOUNGEST SON when she comes of age. So Trystane can't be the only son of Doran in the tv series, otherwise this is a huge inconsistency. 

 

Tysha is a whore, Tyrion.



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 07:09 AM

I can live with a heavily trimmed Iron Island storyline but I will be very disappointed if Aegon is cut.

 

I am still in two minds about a trimmed Dorne. I think I can live it. Concentrating on Mycella and Trystane makes some sense I guess.



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:23 AM

I don't know, but I had a thought as to whether they might actually merge Arianne and Myrcella to some degree. Granted, it's a big deviation, but it would mean the Dornish had someone to put up as queen (with Trystane as king.)

Rather, maybe they could split Ariannes storyline into Myrcella, Trystane and maybe Obara.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:28 AM

I think by condensing two big books into ten episodes is already dammed risky, and if their cutting/condensing policy is not shit hot they will seriously alienate a lot of book readers as the show could become so far disconnected from the books it just starts to feel wrong.

There's a limit to what you cut before the remaining characters start to feel out of place because you can't relate to what you know should be happening.
I think S1 did a great job at condensing a book into a single series. Sure it missed out the battles but cut had all the relevant plot arcs and goings on so it was a pretty good adaption.

The most recent seasons are getting more and more detached from the source, because either the timescale/number of seasons is forcing things to be cut or because the writers really don't have a grasp on the importance of the plot points at this stage. Are they just picking their favourite bits to make a rough approximation of the story?

I mean if we are going to get a story that's cut to pieces then let's just cut to the chase and have Danny invade this season and get straight to dealing with the threat north of the wall. We all know that there is going to be some serious conflict soon, let's just cut to it rather than massacre the renaming books with a shoddy adaption.

#17 sj4iy

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:37 PM

I think by condensing two big books into ten episodes is already dammed risky, and if their cutting/condensing policy is not shit hot they will seriously alienate a lot of book readers as the show could become so far disconnected from the books it just starts to feel wrong.

There's a limit to what you cut before the remaining characters start to feel out of place because you can't relate to what you know should be happening.
I think S1 did a great job at condensing a book into a single series. Sure it missed out the battles but cut had all the relevant plot arcs and goings on so it was a pretty good adaption.

The most recent seasons are getting more and more detached from the source, because either the timescale/number of seasons is forcing things to be cut or because the writers really don't have a grasp on the importance of the plot points at this stage. Are they just picking their favourite bits to make a rough approximation of the story?

I mean if we are going to get a story that's cut to pieces then let's just cut to the chase and have Danny invade this season and get straight to dealing with the threat north of the wall. We all know that there is going to be some serious conflict soon, let's just cut to it rather than massacre the renaming books with a shoddy adaption.

 

They are going to alienate some book readers no matter what they do.  

 

But 'a lot'?  I seriously doubt it.  These are the two books that many book readers agree SHOULD have been condensed.  So I look forward to seeing what they do.


Edited by sj4iy, 31 July 2014 - 12:38 PM.


#18 Marcus Agrippa

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 01:09 PM

 

They are going to alienate some book readers no matter what they do.  

 

But 'a lot'?  I seriously doubt it.  These are the two books that many book readers agree SHOULD have been condensed.  So I look forward to seeing what they do.

The one thing they should have done was end season 3 with joff dying. The red wedding could have been season 3/07 because they wasted three episodes on random daenerys drama. 



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 01:10 PM

The one thing they should have done was end season 3 with joff dying. The red wedding could have been season 3/07 because they wasted three episodes on random daenerys drama. 

 They could have covered so much more this season



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 01:24 PM

 They could have covered so much more this season

 

They covered quite a lot this season, and even into the next books with several characters.  I think they are doing fine and don't need to worry about fitting the books exactly into certain seasons.