omiewise Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I don't mean this facetiously. Why do we have to spend so much time with him? It seems like all we need him to do to advance the plot is propose to Dany and release the dragons. It seems like that could have been done in one chapter. I don't see why we need to spend so much time with him travelling East. It really seems pointless. I feel that his story is totally unnecessary; someone else could have tried to take the dragons and we could have just heard another character say something like, "Oh, Quentyn's dead. That's some rough shit." Done. I just saved 2000 trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cxvb Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Beats me. Introducing the Windblown maybe, but that seems to be just another side story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunflashJT Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I like many others believe Quentyn to be alive. There is not much evidence of this but it is a very good possibility. Guess we will have to see in TWoW. If he is in fact dead I think his storyline was for the purpose of showing how the dragons can't be tamed by just anyone and to give us perspective on how messed up slavers bay is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimmerThanJinglebell Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I think the point of Quentyn dying is so that Dorne will ally with Aegon over Dany. I don't think Gerris and Archibald will have too many stories to tell of Dany casting her in a positive light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direwolf Blitzer Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I don't mean this facetiously. Why do we have to spend so much time with him? It seems like all we need him to do to advance the plot is propose to Dany and release the dragons. It seems like that could have been done in one chapter. I don't see why we need to spend so much time with him travelling East. It really seems pointless. I feel that his story is totally unnecessary; someone else could have tried to take the dragons and we could have just heard another character say something like, "Oh, Quentyn's dead. That's some rough shit." Done. I just saved 2000 trees. This. A thousand times this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderful Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Ha, this question made me smile. Ive often thought the same thing while reading ADWD. Obviously Dorne's allegiance is of importance and perhaps his death (or injury) will cause friction with Dany. But I do belive the dragons recognizing that he's not of their blood is of major importance. Quentyn believes he has it in him, but is that for certain? And even if he does have a bit of dragon's blood, it was obviously not enough for them to recognize and/or respect it. Thus we can conclude that only a true dragon blood relative can control these adorable pets...so maybe this is the way that we verify Jon's true heritage?? And Aegon's? There was too much emphasis on Q believing he could control them due to his blood for it not to be a payoff for readers down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Adder of Dorne Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I'm sure it will become clear when we read Winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 To piss me off enormously when I realized how much time I had wasted reading his chapters. That's the only reason I know of for him to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't mean this facetiously. Why do we have to spend so much time with him? It seems like all we need him to do to advance the plot is propose to Dany and release the dragons. It seems like that could have been done in one chapter. I don't see why we need to spend so much time with him travelling East. It really seems pointless. I feel that his story is totally unnecessary; someone else could have tried to take the dragons and we could have just heard another character say something like, "Oh, Quentyn's dead. That's some rough shit." Done. I just saved 2000 trees. One the first read, I wondered this too. I was anticipating all sort of wild directions the story could take after Quentyn steals a dragon, but then he died. :stunned: He gives an outsiders view of Essos (as someone not on Dany's side) If Doran has a bigger plan for power, Quentyn's chapters must be having clues about it. We get a good look of the Tattered Prince, and other sellsword companies on the slavers' side. Remember, Arch and Drink are alive and on a mission. They can still play some role. Above all, there is the possibility of Quentyn being alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecan Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I'm sure there was a point to it, but we won't know for sure until Winds is released. In the meantime, I recommend Adam Feldman's 4-part essay on the Dornish plot line here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Like this. Doran reads letter from YunkaiYour son was fed to the black dragon by the evil dragon queen because he was too ugly.Doran dies of a heart attackArianne marries fAegon and DotD2 begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 His chapters were enjoyable to read in my opinion. That if nothing else is a good reason to include someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snowfyre Chorus Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't mean this facetiously. Why do we have to spend so much time with him? It seems like all we need him to do to advance the plot is propose to Dany and release the dragons. It seems like that could have been done in one chapter. I don't see why we need to spend so much time with him travelling East. It really seems pointless. I feel that his story is totally unnecessary; someone else could have tried to take the dragons and we could have just heard another character say something like, "Oh, Quentyn's dead. That's some rough shit." Done. I just saved 2000 trees. I think Quentyn's chapters and Arianne's chapters were meant to be read together in the same book. But when Martin decided to split AFFC and ADWD by character POVs, Quentyn's chapters lost a lot of the tension that would have been generated from the interplay with his sister's POV. So basically Quentyn was a casualty of publication format... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLE Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (1) To release the dragons.(2) to die, and thus make Dorne angry with Dany when they hear the news.(3) to be a catalyst for Dorne turning away from the true dragon (Daenerys) to the false one (Aegon).(4) to result in yet another reason for Dany NOT being handed a free army when she gets to Westeros: it's lost her the main bulk of sympathisers that she would have had over there, and meanwhile the few armies she has, she simply cannot practically bring to Westeros because, now that corpses have been sent over Meereen's walls and plague will be inside the city as well as outside, no matter who wins the naval battle, they won't be staying (Victarion is not intending to stay for long anyway: the only way he will stay is as a corpse, or if all his ships are actually destroyed, because otherwise he intends to LEAVE before the Volantene fleet arrives): so there will be no ships to take any army in Dany's service (Unsullied, Dothraki, sellswords, recruited locals) away from Meereen.In other words, Dany is not going to have a Get Your Free Army Here card, to invade Westeros with. While she rode with Drogo, she could have had a free Dothraki army, but at first they didn't want to cross the sea: she just about had Drogo persuaded but they didn't have the gold to hire ships: then while they were busy doing the raping and looting that would give them the gold to hire ships, Drogo took his injury and died. Then she got ships which could have taken her to Westeros, but with no army and her dragons would have been too young to fight: she turned aside to Astapor, got herself a free army of Unsullied by reneging on a bargain and murdering the people she purchased them from instead of paying the agreed price, but they still weren't enough to actually invade Westeros with, so she marched on Yunkai and Meereen looking for further support: then, having got to Meereen, she got trapped there, and her ships blockaded, captured or destroyed (or, even, dismantled to make other useful things): now being off in the Dothraki sea, she may get another army of Dothraki and eventually bring it to Meereen, only to find that she will still have no way of crossing the sea with them, and in any case they may be less willing to follow her across the sea than Drogo... and meanwhile the Quentyn story has (1) lost her her Dornish support, and (2) turned the other dragons loose so that they may actually turn AGAINST Dany in the end.She will end up having to take on Westeros the only way it could ever have been. One woman, one dragon... versus one continent. It's a way of subverting the whole "girl gets handed everything on a plate while her opponents fall apart of their own accord" thing. And when she comes with Drogon, I am not entirely certain she will even be viewed as a liberator, by then having a fairly unbroken record of having destroyed everything in her passage.And, rather than accept her as ruler, what's left of the continent will have to *oppose* her, and force her to the hard choice once again: accept the "fire and blood" heritage, and destroy yet one more thing, the very thing she was supposed to have been "saving" and ruling - or finally turn against "fire and blood" once and for all.I find the best hope, for her and Westeros, to be in the Undying Prophecy's mention of the three mounts (which I see in the literal sense, as beasts to ride): the first, "to bed" being the silver filly, the second "to dread" being Drogon... There will be a third, "to love". And how Drogon reacts when he, and all he represents, is rejected, and Dany chooses another beast to ride, possibly one that is not even a dragon - that will be a story of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 THANK YOU OP! He is my least favourite character in any book I've read in a while. I felt like he was boring to start, boring to end, and I skip everything but his Dragon taming attempt on rereads because it makes me laugh at the loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuelpagan_tw Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 The sun/son that rose in the west and set in the east! Prophecies!!! :wideeyed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 This. A thousand times this. A thousand times and one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojiro Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I think Quentyn's chapters and Arianne's chapters were meant to be read together in the same book. But when Martin decided to split AFFC and ADWD by character POVs, Quentyn's chapters lost a lot of the tension that would have been generated from the interplay with his sister's POV. So basically Quentyn was a casualty of publication format... This is the impression I got. The whole Dorne storyline seems it would play out better if were all in between the same two covers. Another reason to revile the geographic split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carllav Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I found it interesting that none of his chapters are called "Quentin." It's always a nick name. I have a theory that the Quentin we meet is fake, and that the "Quentin" that the dornish know is really Young Griff. Baby aegon was switched and taken to dorne, and raised as Quentin Martell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I found it interesting that none of his chapters are called "Quentin." It's always a nick name. I have a theory that the Quentin we meet is fake, and that the "Quentin" that the dornish know is really Young Griff. Baby aegon was switched and taken to dorne, and raised as Quentin Martell.Baby Aegon looked like his dad Rhaegar. He had silver hair and purple eyes. So no.Also, Asha, Areo, JonCon, Aeron, and a bunch of other characters have only nicknames for chapter titles. Are they all secret Targs too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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