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why does euron trust vic with his horn? (book spoilers)


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#1 reddy95

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:47 PM

So euron just gives away his biggest weapon to a man who clearly hates him and sends him off to his only potential ally? Euron must have an ulterior motf behind this, but what is it?



#2 Dorian Martell

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:50 PM

He has seen visions with the shade of the evening. He is being guided by them. That is why he is so aggressively invading the south

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:56 PM

So euron just gives away his biggest weapon to a man who clearly hates him and sends him off to his only potential ally? Euron must have an ulterior motf behind this, but what is it?

 

Because Vic does what he is told, normally. Victarion followed whatever plans Balon came up with, and when Euron planned the burning of the fleet at Lannisport during their Rebellion, Vic just follows those plans. Now Euron has been elevated to King by the Iron Born and Vic is expected to follow his king, just like Vic followed Balon.  Even after Euron sleeps with and impregnates Vic's wife, Vic can't take action against Euron because of the taboo of kinslaying. So, while Vic clearly hates Euron, Euron doesn't think that Vic will take action against him. Also, remember: Euron has promised Vic the Seastone Chair once he takes Westeros, Euron thinks that will be enough.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:00 PM

So euron just gives away his biggest weapon to a man who clearly hates him and sends him off to his only potential ally? Euron must have an ulterior motf behind this, but what is it?

 

Well the horn binds the dragons to its' owner, Euron (at least he thinks), so while the weapon is important to him, Victarion can't use it against him. He also has the dusky woman keeping an eye of Vic (we all assume, right?).



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:03 PM

I gues that makes sense



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:13 PM

And we don't know what the part of the dusky woman will be.
Maybe she is Eurons fail safe assasin

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:15 PM

I think if it hadn't been for Moqorro, Victarion woulda been on a suicide mission. Blows the horn, binds the dragon to Euron, burns himself to death.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:15 PM

It's probably worth noting that whoever blows the horn, apparently dies



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:23 PM

I'm pretty sure victarion's still going to die. Moroqqo is a dany supporter isn't he, so he is probably feeding victarion false information which will end up killing him.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:26 PM

Because Ironborn are, in general, dumbasses.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:31 PM

Because, as GRRM said, Vic is dumb... Whatever his plans might be, we should never assume that Euron doesn't expect a treason (I mean, have you met the guy)... I can bet he even counts that Vic might try something.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:35 PM

How does the Dragonbinder work anyway?

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:46 PM

IICR, Euron did warn Victarion about the dangers of the Horn. At some point, he had needed to figure out how to make it work, and that's why he gave it to Victarion, so his life wouldn't be in risk. If Victarion managed, then dutiful obedient brother returns with a solution. If he failed, sucks for him.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:47 PM

How does the Dragonbinder work anyway?

 

All we know is that it chars the person who blows it from the inside. Other than that, I'm not convinced yet that it will do what Euron thinks it will do.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:53 PM

 

All we know is that it chars the person who blows it from the inside. Other than that, I'm not convinced yet that it will do what Euron thinks it will do.

 

I actually think it's possibility... And with Vic being aware of that plus his visions, that horn might be, and I say, just might be, the way for Tyrion to obtain the dragon.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:56 PM

No trust, that shit def has poison in it.

 

Euron probably has a close secret informant if Vic does find the Dragons..........shit maybe the Dusky Woman, nobody would expect her lol



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:59 PM

 

I actually think it's possibility... And with Vic being aware of that plus his visions, that horn might be, and I say, just might be, the way for Tyrion to obtain the dragon.

 

I don't discount it. It just seemed so overly convenient: "here's this magical scary horn of hell, that supposedly came from the ruins of the lost civilization/empire that no man (except me), can look upon or sail to and oh btw: it'll totally get us dragons. Now make me king!"

 

I think the Horn has power (it did roast that guy who blew it) I'm just not sure it's going to work in favor of the Iron Born.

 

(however, I am a big fan of Tyrion riding a dragon so if it helps in that regard that huzzah!)



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:04 PM

 

I don't discount it. It just seemed so overly convenient: "here's this magical scary horn of hell, that supposedly came from the ruins of the lost civilization/empire that no man (except me), can look upon or sail to and oh btw: it'll totally get us dragons. Now make me king!"

 

I think the Horn has power (it did roast that guy who blew it) I'm just not sure it's going to work in favor of the Iron Born.

 

(however, I am a big fan of Tyrion riding a dragon so if it helps in that regard that huzzah!)

 

No, I also am not sure that it will work for Ironborn... Or at least that someone can't find some way to overcome Euron and his grasp of that horn... Also, the convenience of that horn is basically none, because we know Daenerys and we can conclude what her reaction would be to that. As has been told so many times, plans laid out in such fashion never works. Having that in mind, we can say that neither Vic nor Euron would be owning that horn.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:05 PM

No trust, that shit def has poison in it.

 

Euron probably has a close secret informant if Vic does find the Dragons..........shit maybe the Dusky Woman, nobody would expect her lol

 

Actually, everybody expects that but Victarion.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:07 PM

 

No, I also am not sure that it will work for Ironborn... Or at least that someone can't find some way to overcome Euron and his grasp of that horn... Also, the convenience of that horn is basically none, because we know Daenerys and we can conclude what her reaction would be to that. As has been told so many times, plans laid out in such fashion never works. Having that in mind, we can say that neither Vic nor Euron would be owning that horn.

 

If Vic dies in the battle for Meereen and Moqorro is left standing, he's met Tyrion, saw the Imp in his fire (standing amidst "dragons" no less) then he might hand the Horn over to Tyrion...hmm...

 

 

 

Actually, everybody expects that but Victarion.

 

Oh Vic... "where is this Dothraki Sea??"