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Did we meet a fake 'Quentyn?'


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I found it interesting that none of his chapters are called "Quentin." It's always a nick name. I have a theory that the Quentin we meet is fake, and that the "Quentin" that the dornish know is really Young Griff. Baby aegon was switched and taken to dorne, and raised as Quentin Martell.

Am I crazy? Any truth to that?

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I always thought the secondary POV characters had those kinds of names i.e The Kraken's Daughter, The Drowned God's Priest, The Queenmaker, etc. However, it got kind of confusing when Arya started getting names like Cat of the Canals. So now I think it's more to do with the personality or character that the character assumes. It's what they are at that point...the best demonstrations being Reek and Arya of course.


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Is this what you are proposing?


A Quentyn we see: Aegon


B Young Griff: Quentyn



A is not possible because Quentyn was sent by Doran. He must know who the boy is and there is no need to send Arianne on a mission to find the truth about 'Aegon' when he knows about the real Aegon.



B is not possible because There is no reason for the real Quentyn Martell to have purple eyes and blonde hair. And again, why send Arianne to find about her own brother?

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There’s an intriguing and highly text based analysis suggesting that Quentyn might not be Doran’s son, though he had been raised to believe that he was, and that his mission to woo Daenerys was doomed to fail from the git-go, because he was deliberately not given the supports needed to succeed. http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Princes.html



The still-to-be-demonstrated conclusion of all the many in-text-connections delineated is that Doran Martell eventually may end up more likely to support a Blackfyre (fAegon) than a Targaryen (Daenerys) candidate for the IT. Even if that conclusion is wrong, the many pieces brought to bear on the question of Quentyn’s doomed mission are fascinating.


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This may have no bearing on the topic, but its something I always found odd about Quentyn. When he holds his hand over that candle, he jerks away in pain and starts sucking on the blister immediately. Yet when he is completely doused in dragon fire, he doesn't even know he's burning until he notices his arm is on fire. When he screams it seems more like he is screaming just because he realised he is on fire and panicked. He makes no mention of actual burning pain. I wonder what is up with that? I am not hinting that he could be Targ since I have no belief in Targs being fireproof, but the scene was odd to me none the less.


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This may have no bearing on the topic, but its something I always found odd about Quentyn. When he holds his hand over that candle, he jerks away in pain and starts sucking on the blister immediately. Yet when he is completely doused in dragon fire, he doesn't even know he's burning until he notices his arm is on fire. When he screams it seems more like he is screaming just because he realised he is on fire and panicked. He makes no mention of actual burning pain. I wonder what is up with that? I am not hinting that he could be Targ since I have no belief in Targs being fireproof, but the scene was odd to me none the less.

It's not unknown in real Life to be so focused on a known perceived danger that one doesn't notice immediately that one's body has been burned or wounded. Combat veterans, crash victims, and crime victims sometimes have a delayed reaction to pain, and sometimes describe their experience as happening in slow motion. The delay may be only for a few seconds, but it's enough to be noticed, especially in retrospect.

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Then Asha is not Asha, Victarion is not Victarion, Arianne is not Arianne, Jon Connington is not Jon Connington, Ser Barristan is not Ser Barristan, and so on and so forth. Quentyn's dead people, deal with it. He became Kentucky Fried Martell.


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This may have no bearing on the topic, but its something I always found odd about Quentyn. When he holds his hand over that candle, he jerks away in pain and starts sucking on the blister immediately. Yet when he is completely doused in dragon fire, he doesn't even know he's burning until he notices his arm is on fire. When he screams it seems more like he is screaming just because he realised he is on fire and panicked. He makes no mention of actual burning pain. I wonder what is up with that? I am not hinting that he could be Targ since I have no belief in Targs being fireproof, but the scene was odd to me none the less.

He's in shock.

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Quentyn looks like Doran, and acts like Doran. In tWoW, Doran's concern for Quentyn appears genuine, so I think Quent is really Doran's son.


Doran did not know about the exact situation in Meereen, or the bloodshed of Astapor. Going as a small group was safer than going with 50k spears, which will attract attention. Not everyone is badass like Victarion.



Quentyn's main objective was to bring a dragon to Dorne. What Doran planned to do with a dragon, I cannot guess. Probably something with Blackfyre support, and/or make Arianne queen.



For all Doran knows, Dany's first priority will be returning to Westeros. He sent his own son, disguised, to tell her Dorne would welcome her. Quentyn is not the kind of guy 16-year old girls get attracted to, but Dany was a queen. Dorne was her friend. She had to marry Khal Drogo for getting an army for her brother, a prince of Dorne is a much better deal, from the viewpoint of Westerosi lords. Who'd expect a Targaryen princess with three dragons and an army of unsullied to stay in Meereen and marry an ex-slaver?



If Dany accepted his marriage proposal, good for Dorne. If she did not, she still needs the support of Dorne. Doran must know that the dragon has three heads, and expected Dany to make Quentyn a dragon rider. Dany herself was ready for this, by showing the dragons to Quentyn. He is descended from the first Daenerys, and Dany trusts Quentyn to be a nice guy(unlike the sellsword Bown Ben). Her marriage to Hizdahr is not the end, she told him.



Yet, I agree that the overall plan for Quentyn does look like no one wanted him to be successful in his mission, except Barristan Selmy.


But we know fathers like Tywin Lannister and Randyll Tarly. And Mace Tyrell, whose eagerness caused Willas to be crippled by Oberyn. Doran is not like any of them, but Quentyn's task isn't entirely uncharacteristic of the series.

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Is this what you are proposing?

A Quentyn we see: Aegon

B Young Griff: Quentyn

A is not possible because Quentyn was sent by Doran. He must know who the boy is and there is no need to send Arianne on a mission to find the truth about 'Aegon' when he knows about the real Aegon.

B is not possible because There is no reason for the real Quentyn Martell to have purple eyes and blonde hair. And again, why send Arianne to find about her own brother?

What I was proposing is that there never was a real Qwentyn. baby aegon was taken to dorne, where doran said, we'll call him quentyn. Then they send him off with Griff and company, then sends some fake quentyn to court dany.

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So is Doran and Illyrio in allegiance? Doran mentions that they still have friends in court that tell them things they're not meant to know. Could that be tyrion? He set up the marriage between Myrcella and tyrstane. And Doran knows of Aegons ships putting in at Volatis to take on fresh water, and that they have elephants on board. Is Doran expecting Aegon? When tyrion figures out who Griff and Young Griff are, does he put together that Doran is involved also, and puts the idea of going to westeros without dany to aegon for tyrions own benefit? Is tyrion joining the tattered prince to bring them back to westeros to join aegon?

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What I was proposing is that there never was a real Qwentyn. baby aegon was taken to dorne, where doran said, we'll call him quentyn. Then they send him off with Griff and company, then sends some fake quentyn to court dany.

So who is the boy who is parading himself as Aegon?

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So who is the boy who is parading himself as Aegon?

It's aegon. And when he gets back to dorne, people will be like, "oh, quentyns back." And Doran would be like, "Oh, actually that's aegon. He's always been aegon, we just called him quentyn."

Something like that. But it is sounding like I am crackpot. I guess I'm over thinking things, and jumping to conclusions.

But im still wondering what Doran and Illyrios connection is. And if tyrion is somehow now involved

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It's aegon. And when he gets back to dorne, people will be like, "oh, quentyns back." And Doran would be like, "Oh, actually that's aegon. He's always been aegon, we just called him quentyn."

Something like that. But it is sounding like I am crackpot. I guess I'm over thinking things, and jumping to conclusions.

But im still wondering what Doran and Illyrios connection is. And if tyrion is somehow now involved

It is not sounding like crackpot, it IS crackpot.
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