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Will the R+L=J deniers please stand up?


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#1 Julia Martell

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:11 PM

Is there anyone who doesn't buy R+L=J at this point?

 

Will the R+L=J deniers please stand up?



#2 Wmarshal

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:13 PM

I don't buy some of their(R+L+J squad) evidence, but I get theory itself.


Edited by WMarshal, 02 August 2014 - 08:19 PM.


#3 Skinchanging Sweetrobin

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:29 PM

I've come around recently to rejecting R+L=J.

#4 Ser Greg of House House

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:32 PM

Well, Black Hawk tried hard: http://asoiaf.wester...d-bielieve-rlj/



#5 Julia Martell

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:34 PM

I've come around recently to rejecting R+L=J.

 

Care to elaborate? 



#6 JonCon's Red Beard

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:35 PM

I don't buy some of their(R+L+J squad) evidence, but I get theory itself.

 

Agree. I do believe R+L=J, but I don't believe they were married or anything like that. They simply met each other and accidentally* made Jon.

 

(*that sounds like Rhaegar fall on and in Lyanna, lol, no. I mean that they simply got the hots for each other and she got pregnant).



#7 Galaxian

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:36 PM

I understand the theory and all the evidence behind it, but in a personal level I don't like it. I would much rather have Jon being Ned's son, but is just a matter of taste.



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:42 PM

 
Agree. I do believe R+L=J, but I don't believe they were married or anything like that. They simply met each other and accidentally* made Jon.
 
(*that sounds like Rhaegar fall on and in Lyanna, lol, no. I mean that they simply got the hots for each other and she got pregnant).

We seem to agree a lot when talking of Rhaegar or Dany.

#9 aryagonnakill#2

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:43 PM

Is there anyone who doesn't buy R+L=J at this point?

 

Will the R+L=J deniers please stand up?

Yes, many people who did not find the theory themselves now pretend/ don't believe it.  But anyone who is honest with themselves believes it.  So no.  But if u did not see it yourself you might like to have fun pretending its not true.



#10 stateofdissipation

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:44 PM

r plus l equals j... 

 

It ties together a bunch of things.  However, there are gaping holes.

 

The Jon is king...  should be ditched from the theory because of Robb's will

 

The kingsguard at the ToJ showdown should be ditched after Selmy said he had no choice but to guard who he was ordered to guard

 

R and L had a baby... bed of blood and all...

 

Jon would be about the right age...

 

It is hardly a slam dunk...and the hidden prince is a dead-horse trope...

 

R plus L is way overblown... the most one can say is "could be" but right after that "who cares,"  A reveal would have meant something in like book 3... now what is the difference  Jon is  where he is and that has nothing to do with where he came from.

 

It would mean more to Mel than to Jon.


Edited by stateofdissipation, 02 August 2014 - 09:46 PM.


#11 JasonJD

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:50 PM

I won't assert it as fact until it is actually in the text of the books confirmed. It is extremely likely however, based on the evidence, though that alone may be why it's not true... ;)



#12 The Wolves

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 09:51 PM

I just need it confirmed or denied its buggin me

#13 Balerion06

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:08 PM

I believe it, though I don't buy all the evidence the proponents keep putting forward.

On a personal level though, I'd much rather have Jon be Ned's son.

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:08 PM

I hate this theory, but there is too much proof to deny it. All I can hope for is that King Bob's version be true, and that his Lyanna was not conscenting, but again, really not plausible :(



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:25 PM

I hate this theory, but there is too much proof to deny it. All I can hope for is that King Bob's version be true, and that his Lyanna was not conscenting, but again, really not plausible :(

evidence...

Lyanna giving birth...

 

Ned's promise...

 

Living a lie for 14 years...

 

Jon is around 14...

 

If you take away "..." you have evidence,

 

Ashara had a baby that died...

 

---King Corn--- died as a clue with Robb legitimizing Jon

--Kingsguard---died in aDwD

 

If GRRM has an a stroke he might decide to go to the dead-horse trope of the hidden prince... If I have one it might seem new...



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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:37 PM

The ones who deny are just doing it to be different, deep down they believe and feel they dont want to be another zombie/conformist or what ever the fuck they think, when its obvious as heck now

 

The real question is how do people find out? Or who tells Jon etc?

 

Howland Reed?


Edited by Wavey Sauce, 02 August 2014 - 10:40 PM.


#17 Angalin

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:44 PM

In order to keep this single theory from proliferating like bacteria and eating the board, I suggest moving discussion over to this thread.