DanStark Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Something I havn't seen overly discussed is how the greyscale disease will affect the story. Of course there are many theories about Shireen being the stone from which a dragon emerges for Jon's resurection and confirming that he's Azor Ahai and Jon Connigton's recent encounter with the disease will have a big impact of Aegon and the conquoring of Westeros. But perhaps we'll see Tyrion develop the disease soon as in one of his final chapters he is depicted as checking for it by pricking his fingers and toes. While it is a good sign that he still has feeling, I think we can all agree that George RR Martin is very deliberate with his words and is reminding us that the threat of Tyrion developing greyscale is still very present and when (if) he develops it, maybe he brings another main character down with him such as Jaime or Cersei. Or perhaps he'll find where whores go and he and Tysha will become stone together.. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenAppleFossoway Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 It showed up in JonCon within days of jumping in the river. Tyrion still shows no signs. I'll be very surprised if he has Greyscale. That being said, I think a combination of GS from JC and an invasion from the Others and of course, the Ironborn and Euron in the Reach, spells bad news for most if not all of Westeros. The population is going to be decimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmure's Floppy Fish Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yeah I think the grey scale is going to spread through Westeros with JonCon and Aegon's campaign. A lot of people will die. I think it will be as bad as the The Great Spring Sickness that killed a ton of people. I read a really intriguing theory on here that stated he didn't get it because he is a Targ and based his immunity on that.It has been foreshadowed that Tyrion will lose his most valuable weapon, his tongue. He swallowed the water so it would attack from within and he wouldn't be able to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oursisthefury69 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Jon Con has already contracted it by merely touching the water in which Tyrion was submerged. "You swallowed half the Rhoyne." "Death comes out the dragons mouth, but never goes in that way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Tyrion could be getting sick from inside. But I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Feelgood Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 It's makes you wonder what percentage of the population in Westeros will have died once the series is done. You have the unending Wot5K's, a possible second war between Aegon and Dorne vs. the factions of Kings Landing, then another possible war involving Dany and Aegon, piled on top of the wars of the North with Stannis and the Boltons, only to be followed by an outbreak of the pale mare in Kings Landing and finally Greyscale north and south from JonCon and Shireen. By the time the Walkers get there the only resistance left will be a handful of farmers, probably led by Stannis by some miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It's makes you wonder what percentage of the population in Westeros will have died once the series is done. You have the unending Wot5K's, a possible second war between Aegon and Dorne vs. the factions of Kings Landing, then another possible war involving Dany and Aegon, piled on top of the wars of the North with Stannis and the Boltons, only to be followed by an outbreak of the pale mare in Kings Landing and finally Greyscale north and south from JonCon and Shireen. I think there will be few of the little folk left by the end of the series which makes sense when we consider how many people died after wars and plagues in the middle ages. Like other posters, I foresee greyscale becoming an epidemic in Westeros but I'm not sure what role Shireen might play in that. I think she has a different role to play in the next books. But JonCon will do more damage than good when all is said and done, and he will most likely be the cause of the Westeros greyscale plague. Oddly enough, I think Tyrion is safe from the disease since he hasn't shown any signs of it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narvi Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It was said of the disease it could take years upon years to show up but its always inside you once you have it. I personally think gray scale is a wild card. Too many references for it to have little impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've said this in a similar thread. While there is a chance JC brings greyscale to Westeros, I'm sure he's not the only one who has done that. There is trade between Westeros and the Free Cities, at some point, one sailor probably also had the disease. Also, we know JC is being careful to protect himself from being noticed, and I doubt he's going around hugging or touching people. The importance of greyscale is only to JC's plot, otherwise, he'd have it too easy. If he hadn't gotten sick, he would probably help Aegon, recover his lands, being Hand of the King, and die peacefully of old age after he got everything he wanted back. We know that can't happen because GRRM hates us. We know from his POV that he has realised he needed to be more like Tywin to achieve his goals, and this time, he won't fail Aegon as he failed his father. This means that not only he needs to take hard decisions but he also needs to take them now because he's dying, and he needs to assure Aegon's throne before he dies or before people notice. The gs means that Aegon's whole campaign is also running against the clock, so to speak, or that at some point, Aegon will have to be apart from Connington and take decisions by his own, something he probably isn't completely prepared to do. I think there is a relationship between the North and the greyscale. "The cold preserves". We already have a character carrying the disease up there and I doubt there is a coincidence. Maybe the disease can be contained in places where there is cold, and people have more chances to survive if they remain in the North (the wildings don't know because they kill the sick ones very soon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I think there is a relationship between the North and the greyscale. "The cold preserves". We already have a character carrying the disease up there and I doubt there is a coincidence. Maybe the disease can be contained in places where there is cold, and people have more chances to survive if they remain in the North (the wildings don't know because they kill the sick ones very soon).I doubt greyscale is harmless in the cold, otherwise the wildlings wouldn´t worry about it.If there is one place I could imagine having a special relationship with greyscale it would be the marshes of the Neck. Hammer of the waters and the curse that the Rhoynars used to drown the Valyrians seem really similar. Also the Green men like the Stony men are an isolated community. GRRM uses a lot of paralells. There are trees in Quarth and the east that seem an inversion of weirwoods. The blue leaves and the magical potential of the tree sap that the undying keep drinking.Maybe Stony men and Green men mirror each other, or maybe the Green men carry a curse like them. (The destruction of Harrenhal through fire is maybe a paralell to the way the Rhoynars destroyed the Valyrians through water). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oursisthefury69 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 How can anyone say/imply Shireen's greyscale is being contained by the cold of the North while she'd lived on Dragonstone her whole life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Nutella Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 This.Id rather say that the cold makes the greyscale worse bevause val says its always deadly, while we know that it is not.at least mot south of the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 This.Id rather say that the cold makes the greyscale worse bevause val says its always deadly, while we know that it is not.at least mot south of the wall.Maybe greyscale is linked to the forces of ice and water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabulaniman Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It's makes you wonder what percentage of the population in Westeros will have died once the series is done. You have the unending Wot5K's, a possible second war between Aegon and Dorne vs. the factions of Kings Landing, then another possible war involving Dany and Aegon, piled on top of the wars of the North with Stannis and the Boltons, only to be followed by an outbreak of the pale mare in Kings Landing and finally Greyscale north and south from JonCon and Shireen. By the time the Walkers get there the only resistance left will be a handful of farmers, probably led by Stannis by some miracle.Hahaha, great read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Shireen is the safest person in a possible grey plague epidemic. I think Val was lying about her. Val's main concern was to get the Monster out of Selyse's grasp because she was trying to install a wildling king and "the wildling prince" was an obstacle, according to their foolish southron understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Greyscale is a protection against the Others. Stone cannot be wighted. However it leaves Westeros either being populated by stone people or snow people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopsang Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Greyscale is a protection against the Others. Stone cannot be wighted. However it leaves Westeros either being populated by stone people or snow people.... Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassidyaj Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The GS will definitely play a part on the series but what about Aegon getting it from JonCon. If I were JonCon I would be more worried about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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