DanStark Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I think in the upcoming book The Winds of Winter we shall see the demise of Brienne at the hands of Jaime. As we know from the end of FfC and DwD, Brienne has been forced into leading Jaime to the BWB and its new commander Lady Stoneheart. We know that Stoneheart is a merciless zombie who will most likely hang Jaime on sight, but I think it'll come to a Trial by combat between Jaime and Brienne (who must prove that she she remained loyal to the Starks in the quest for Sansa and Arya), and in that fight, Jaime will put his training against Ser Ilyn Payne into effect and somehow manage to knock Oathkeeper from Brienne's hand, then sadly kill her after she tells him she loves him. I mentioned Ilyn Payne because there's been so much made of Jaime practicing his one-on-one combat skills I think it's foreshadowing to this battle scene.Brienne's story arc is essentially over with Sansa sitting pretty with Littlefinger and Arya becoming a faceless man (I also believe it'll be Arya that stops Stoneheart when she returns to Westeros as Cat is cheating the god of death), whereas Jaime still has a lot of progress to do in returning to KL and see (and possibly finish) the fall of Cersei and finally be murdered by Dany or Ser Barristan Selmy for murdering the Mad KIng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Brienne has been being groomed by GRRM to take the place of Lady Stoneheart… This is why GRRM had her face disfigured by being chewed upon & eaten in AFFC - so that her facial description would resemble that of Lady Stoneheart. Though the character behind Lady Stoneheart will change, the small-folk will go on believing that Stoneheart lives & leads the Brotherhood... Whether Brienne fills this role as a dead person or as a living person, I do not know, but I suspect that Brienne will remain amongst the living for quite a while longer… Besides, I have a difficult time seeing Jamie kill her at this point in the story… Perhaps back in ASOSs he would have killed her (though he had the opportunity & failed to do so), but he certainly would not kill her at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Brienne has been being groomed by GRRM to take the place of Lady Stoneheart… This is why GRRM had her face disfigured by being chewed upon & eaten in AFFC - so that her facial description would resemble that of Lady Stoneheart. Though the character behind Lady Stoneheart will change, the small-folk will go on believing that Stoneheart lives & leads the Brotherhood... Whether Brienne fills this role as a dead person or as a living person, I do not know, but I suspect that Brienne will remain amongst the living for quite a while longer… Besides, I have a difficult time seeing Jamie kill her at this point in the story… Perhaps back in ASOSs he would have killed her (though he had the opportunity & failed to do so), but he certainly would not kill her at this point... This is the first time I've seen the theory that Brienne will replace LS. What will happen to LS that would require replacing and what would be Brienne's motivation to kill everyone? Her oath to Cat? Brienne's arc seems to be about her loosing her innocence about honor and chivalry but having her become part of an outlaw band of misfits who kill at will doesn't seem to fit with what's been happening to her so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stannis Inquisition Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I don't think Brienne will replace Lady Stoneheart. The facial wounds bring the Hound to mind if anyone. Lem's got the helmet now (right?), but I think that Brienne's going to end up being the Hound in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I don't think Brienne will replace Lady Stoneheart. The facial wounds bring the Hound to mind if anyone. Lem's got the helmet now (right?), but I think that Brienne's going to end up being the Hound in the end. And what does it mean to be the Hound? He was a jaded, well trained Lannister sword. Is that what you see Brienne becoming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stannis Inquisition Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 No. I think she'll make the title her own. Sandor Clegane's Hound was a "jaded, well trained Lannister sword." I think Brienne's Hound will be a competent warrior and knight (in spirit at least) who protects the smallfolk and honors her vows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 No. I'm hoping she'll make the title her own. Brienne is nothing if not loyal which was another quality of the Hound (at least until the Battle of Blackwater). Hmmmmm. Yes, the Hound is loyal and so is Brienne. I do think it's interesting to think of that given how the show has connected the two characters. But the book has not made such a connection. Still, it is an interesting prediction although I'm not sure what Brienne the Hound would do which was what my first post to you was asking. Swear allegiance to the North and forsake Jaime? Swear alliance to the Lannisters because of Jaime? Or be a rogue knight like Dunk? Only the last one makes any sort of sense given what we know of Brienne but that feels so hopeless, so yes, I suppose Martin might be doing that. Either way, what I don't see is her becoming an undead. That really doesn't fit her arc. And I hope there aren't anymore characters that become undead. I'm really hoping Martin is done with that move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stannis Inquisition Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Sorry, I misinterpreted your response. I realize the connection between Brienne and Sandor Clegane is tenuous (I've only watched a few episodes of the show so I don't know what's going on between the characters there), but I think there's something to be said for that connection all the same. I need to look through the books and see what I can find. If I can find enough evidence to support my theory then I'll start a new thread. As to what happens if Brienne does become a new Hound? Hmm, I think the rogue knight thing is most likely, at least compared to her other options. I don't see the character swearing herself to any one House. I don't see her becoming a revenant either. Perhaps she'll be the one who gives Lady Stoneheart peace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 No. I think she'll make the title her own. Sandor Clegane's Hound was a "jaded, well trained Lannister sword." I think Brienne's Hound will be a competent warrior and knight (in spirit at least) who protects the smallfolk and honors her vows. What if, in the climax, Brienne is the one who fights for and protects the smallfolks? Certainly there will be lots of factions when the climax comes and adding the one who suffered the most along the story wouldn't be a surprise. Just a random thought that has just crossed my mind. I have no idea how she'll handle Stoneheart though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I have no idea how she'll handle Stoneheart though. I actually think The Stannis Inquisition answered you :P : Perhaps she'll be the one who gives Lady Stoneheart peace? But yes, I could see her being a defender of the smallfolk from the BWB and LS. I think that realizing how wrong it would be to continue to pledge her sword to Cat given Cat's new, um, deadly personality, would be a nice twist to Brienne's notion about oaths and chivalry. But it would be nice to put LS out of her misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is the first time I've seen the theory that Brienne will replace LS. What will happen to LS that would require replacing...? Why would LS require replacing? Perhaps Brienne kills her & Thoros refuses to bring her back to life… Perhaps Brienne dies & LS passes the kiss on the Brienne... Your guess is as good as mine... ...and what would be Brienne's motivation to kill everyone? Her oath to Cat? I don't think that Brienne would necessarily seek to kill a lot of people… Perhaps the Brotherhood will take a turn for better under Brienne's watch... Brienne's arc seems to be about her loosing her innocence about honor and chivalry but having her become part of an outlaw band of misfits who kill at will doesn't seem to fit with what's been happening to her so far. It's under Cat's Watch that the outlaw band has become misguided… Perhaps if the Brotherhood were led by Brienne & Jamie they could help turn things around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanStark Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 I don't see Brienne surviving the encounter with Stoneheart as to survive, she will most likely have to dispose of a lot of the BWB and I think LS is being set up to be killed by Arya. Arya and Cat had strained relationship but loved each other nonetheless. Now that Arya is becoming a faceless man and working for the god of Death, I think she will hear of LS as a woman that has cheated the god of death and seek her out to set it right. Then they run into each other and LS anger is appeased by seeing her child and just dies or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I don't see Brienne surviving the encounter with Stoneheart as to survive, I really believe there's more to Brienne's story than being hung by LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narvi Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 She's of the blood of Dunk. Her story is far from finished. Probably the only true knight in all of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 She's of the blood of Dunk. Her story is far from finished. Probably the only true knight in all of Westeros. This. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think Brienne is gonna go meet up with Arya so we can have Dunk/Egg 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think Brienne is gonna go meet up with Arya so we can have Dunk/Egg 2.0. That would be cool but I don't think it will happen. One could say it already happened with the Hound and Arya though. In that vein, could the same be said for Brienne and Pod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Maybe Freys arrest members of the BwB and Brienne presents herself as Lady Stoneheart to save Catelyn and is executed.Catelyn resurrects her and unBrienne is made.Not going to happen but I would like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F The King Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I actually just finished reading ADWD. Can anybody explain to me exactly what state Brienne is in? Is she some sort of "zombie" like Stoneheart? Or did they decide not to hang her at the last minute in AFFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stannis Inquisition Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 She chose the sword over the noose in order to save Pod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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