The secret Stark

[DanStark]

Seen as secret Targs are all the range on the formus, I've been thinking maybe there are secret members of other houses, namely, the Starks.

So my theory is, what if, (f)Aegon is really the son of Brandon Stark and Ashara Dayne. We know that Brandon and Ashara were into each other and that Ashara gave birth to a ''stillborn''. For this theory I'm going to assume that the Septa Lemore more is Ashara theory is true.

So my idea is that when Brandon went to talk to Ashara asking for her to dance with Ned at Harrenhal, they hit it off. Brandon then loses to Rhaegar at the tilts and is comforted by Ashara (much like Jeyne Westerling comforted Robb) and Ashara subsequently becomes pregnant. Barristan Selmy believes that a Stark impregnated Ashara, GRRM probably says this as a red herring to her being Jon Snow's mother in that Ned is that Stark. But Selmy loved Ashara, and should it have been Ned who slept with her, Selmy would have been much colder and spiteful toward Ned when he comes to KL, but instead clearly respects the man. So we all know what happens next Rhaegar kidnaps Lyanna, Brandon tries to rescue her and is put to death. Robert's Rebellion happens and at some point in it, Ashara gives birth. The rebellion ends with the murder of Elia and her childern, and this is where Varys begins to plot. He goes to Ashara and she agrees to Varys plan to put her child on the throne. They announce that Asharas child was stillborn, spread by Varys littlebirds, and she then commits ''suicide'', providing a perfect cover up for where she and her child may be whilst Aegon is raised as a Targ and Ashara becomes a Septa.

I think this also lends to the R+L=J theory as GRRM loves ironic situations. Jon, who believes himself a Stark, is really a Targ and Aegon, who believes himself a Targ, is really a Stark.

I like the theory of Aegon being a Blackfyre, but I believe this is also a viable option for Aegon.

[Dragon88]

Hahaha. That would be awesome if it is true. I actually won't be surprised if it is the case. I actually had a different theory. What if Aegon and Jon both were children of Lyanna. Since Jon looked like a Stark, Eddard took him in while Aegon was sent away in Essos. Either way can't wait till we find out more about Aegon.

[DanStark]

Hahaha. That would be awesome if it is true. I actually won't be surprised if it is the case. I actually had a different theory. What if Aegon and Jon both were children of Lyanna. Since Jon looked like a Stark, Eddard took him in while Aegon was sent away in Essos. Either way can't wait till we find out more about Aegon.

That actually makes sense that would be why Ned feels so guilty about Lyanna's promise because he is only cared for Jon and not her other son and that's the real reason he went to Ashara knowing she could be used as a hideout

[Myraan]

I'm really not sure what I believe, but that is definitely one of the options I have thought of. It fits the actual textual evidence just as much as the Blackfyre theory that seems to be accepted as more true than R+L=J. In fact I find it totally weird that people considered Renly and Loras as mere speculation until the TV show "spoiled" it, while Young Griff Blackfyre is all but canon. Don't get me wrong, I think young Griff very likely is a Blackfyre, but if Lemore is Ashara, then YG being either Ned or Brandon Starks bastard is totally possible. In fact YG being the child of Ashara (regardless of Lemore's alias) is what I always assumed Barristan's talk of purple eyes was about until I heard about the Blackfyre theory. And that's all assuming Aegon ain't the real deal to start with - which for all I know he might be.

[alienarea]

Independent of Jon Snow and fAegon, can me make Darkstar a secret Stark?

After all his name is an anagram for Dar Stark ;-)

[Loge]

What do you need secret Starks for? Right now the Starks are all presumed dead or in hiding. The reason why everybody is looking for secret Targaryens is because Dany is the only confirmed one. There ought to be more given how central they (presumably) are to the story. And of course the whole three heads of the dragon thing. There is nothing like that about the Starks. They still are a pack (though rather disfunctional), so no need to find hidden ones.

[unitron]

What do you need secret Starks for? Right now the Starks are all presumed dead or in hiding. The reason why everybody is looking for secret Targaryens is because Dany is the only confirmed one. There ought to be more given how central they (presumably) are to the story. And of course the whole three heads of the dragon thing. There is nothing like that about the Starks. They still are a pack (though rather disfunctional), so no need to find hidden ones.

But the appearance of some new direwolves would be cool, if for no other reason than people thinking it meant extra Starks about which they'd previously been ignorant.

[Impoverished Noble]

OP you should start writing fan fiction and send it to George, he'd love that I'm sure. All you offered is pure speculation, I don't think you can even call this a theory. This is almost as bad as Tony Teflon thinking Rickon will return from Skagos with an army of unicorns.

[unitron]

OP you should start writing fan fiction and send it to George, he'd love that I'm sure. All you offered is pure speculation, I don't think you can even call this a theory. This is almost as bad as Tony Teflon thinking Rickon will return from Skagos with an army of unicorns.

Okay, an army of unicorns would be even cooler than more direwolves, even if it means giving up the surprise Starks.

[DanStark]

OP you should start writing fan fiction and send it to George, he'd love that I'm sure. All you offered is pure speculation, I don't think you can even call this a theory. This is almost as bad as Tony Teflon thinking Rickon will return from Skagos with an army of unicorns.

All theories are speculation until proven or dis-proven. R+L=J, Aegon Blackfyre, who will be the three heads of the dragon are all fan speculation so there's no need to be rude about other peoples ideas just because you don't believe them. I believe that Aegon is more than likely a Blackfyre but my idea is just another alternative which does have some crediblity as it fits the timeline and has supporting evidence. It's no crazier than theories like Jojen Paste that is based off of a lot less

[Impoverished Noble]

All theories are speculation until proven or dis-proven. R+L=J, Aegon Blackfyre, who will be the three heads of the dragon are all fan speculation so there's no need to be rude about other peoples ideas just because you don't believe them. I believe that Aegon is more than likely a Blackfyre but my idea is just another alternative which does have some crediblity as it fits the timeline and has supporting evidence. It's no crazier than theories like Jojen Paste that is based off of a lot less

I agree that there are a lot of wild ideas out there, and yours is one of them. If there was textual evidence to back it up, then I could take it seriously. All theories involve speculation, but that is ALL your theory is, speculation.

[DanStark]

I agree that there are a lot of wild ideas out there, and yours is one of them. If there was textual evidence to back it up, then I could take it seriously. All theories involve speculation, but that is ALL your theory is, speculation.

Brandon and Ashara Dayne conversed and danced together at Harrenhal.

Brandon was know for putting himself about

Ashara leaves Harrenhal pregnant

She gives birth to a ''stillborn'' and shortly after commits suicide after meeting with Ned.

Ned bans the people of Winterfell from mentioning Ashara

Ser Barristan Selmy loved Ashara

Barristan believes it was 'Stark' that impregnated her

Barristan likes and respects Ned and he certainly would not if he believed it was Neds fault Ashara died.

It is widely theorized that Ashara is still alive and is Septa Lemore.

If Ashara is Septa Lemore, why is it so crazy to believe the child she is traveling with might be her child.

We got a big speech from Lady Dustin in DwD about Brandon sleeping around and surly he must have some bastard childern and maybe fAegon is one.

Look I do understand that it is a bit out-there and as I've already said I'm probably wrong on this, but there is evidence to suggest the possibility that Brandon and Ashara had a child together. Maybe it's Darkstar or maybe it was just a still-born, but nobody has seen either the body of that child or Ashara Dayne who was never found after ''juming off the cliff''

[Visenya Stark]

Brandon and Ashara Dayne conversed and danced together at Harrenhal.

Brandon was know for putting himself about

Ashara leaves Harrenhal pregnant

She gives birth to a ''stillborn'' and shortly after commits suicide after meeting with Ned.

Ned bans the people of Winterfell from mentioning Ashara

Ser Barristan Selmy loved Ashara

Barristan believes it was 'Stark' that impregnated her

Barristan likes and respects Ned and he certainly would not if he believed it was Neds fault Ashara died.

It is widely theorized that Ashara is still alive and is Septa Lemore.

If Ashara is Septa Lemore, why is it so crazy to believe the child she is traveling with might be her child.

We got a big speech from Lady Dustin in DwD about Brandon sleeping around and surly he must have some bastard childern and maybe fAegon is one.

Look I do understand that it is a bit out-there and as I've already said I'm probably wrong on this, but there is evidence to suggest the possibility that Brandon and Ashara had a child together. Maybe it's Darkstar or maybe it was just a still-born, but nobody has seen either the body of that child or Ashara Dayne who was never found after ''juming off the cliff''

Yeah, there's plenty of evidence to support this theory. My only problem with this theory is Lemore's eyes. We're never given a description of them. Ashara, on the other hand, is said to have "haunting violet eyes". If Lemore is Ashara, then Tyrion should have commented on her eyes.

[FirstofHerName]

How could he have had such blonde hair? The likelihood of crazy genetics being "just so" is a bit of a stretch. I like the theory that they had a baby but I don't think it's lil Faegon

[LynnS]

I'm inclined to think that the Dayne's are more Targ than Stark given their physical characteristics. Not quite a cadet branch of House Targaryen. Their lineage is another blind spot in the story. I think there is something significant about appellations like the Sword of the Morning; the Dawn Sword and Darkstar. I just don't know what or how. Gerold Dayne is the most beautiful man anyone has ever seen and the most cruel and beastly to boot. Will Sansa make the bad man fly? Har.

[fuem]

R+L=Jon is enough do we really need anymore?

[Steelborn]

Yeah, I think the Stark Ashara hooked up is definitely Brandon, not Ned.

But if Aegon is a secret Stark, this has to play out some time, so everybody would give up on him and what role would he be? House Stark is not extinct since we have Rickon and even Jon or Sansa for that matter.

[gogorath]

Yes, Ashara definitely hooked up with Brandon. Or at least that's what Barristan believes. There's strong textual evidence for that.

I'm still fairly undecided about Ashara and Lemore -- there are some real stumbling blocks there. But even if we assume that's true, there's no real textual evidence for Aegon really being a Stark. And I struggle to understand why the child would publicly be a stillbirth and then shuttled away. The damage to Ashara was done -- a stillbirth notes that she was impregnated out of marraige ... what's the motivation for the deception?

[PlainJeyne]

But why? Why do we need secret Starks? What would this add?

Plus I do not buy that Varys would go to Ashara with his baby identity swapping plot. Why would he involve her? Did these two characters even interact at all that we know of?