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I think Jaqen definitely banged the bathhouse attendant, that much is certain. The one who wouldn't go away. Arya waited patiently, and she wasn't budging.

ROFL!!! :rofl:

Now he is James Bond too? LOL!

The plot thickens...

And I guess FM can do that…but no falling in love. And no marriage, kids, and stuff obviously.

Oh, for God's sakes I feel more jokes coming on...

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Shaken, not stirred. I'd love to see the guy on the show deliver that line. :lol:

Oh, good, tell me what you think... I was just putting those quotes out there...

Jaqen: "A man believes a beverage should be shaken, but a man believes a beverage should not be stirred."

Gregor: "He gets tortured next."

:cool4: :smoking: These are the only smileys that remotely denote James Bond cool and contained.

Oh, the James Bond thing just popped up in my head. But you know, I didn't pick up on that. That is interesting and I have to re-read that part.

I like the possibility that it gives a more human element. Ok, he talks like a Yoda robot, he is no one, we know some stuff about FM from Arya…BUT can the House of B&W really have all their agents do that? Can they never slip, can they suppress all human urges? All of their individual needs or wants. Whether emotionally, psychologically, physically, etc...

The powers that be know they travel far for missions and won't know everything. They focus so much on following the most important rules, for example, taking only the life on your assignment. We know the NW turns a blind eye to Moles Town.

I wonder if they don't care as long as the job gets done, or do they let a lapse go?

And I am trying to deduce from what we know about them only through Arya's experience, and what she is doing now. For one thing, Arya did not have the heart to divest herself of Needle.

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I think he's someone. We know for one thing, he was so vain about that hair (figure we can throw some Carly Simon/Mick Jagger into the mix to get that Van Halen stuff out). He was filthy, but he took the time to wash his hair. And then had attentive bathhouse attendant wash it again. The girls giggled in admiration, he had to know the effect he was having on the women of Westeros with those fine, handsome features.

I don't trust the FM at all...

If there's a you save this one, you have to kill another one Red God tally going on, Jaqen is way off with Weasel Soup. How could one ever even hope to keep that going, anyway. If you save 20 people from a burning building by putting out the fire, do you go and kill 20 more people? Jaqen was up to something else, he knew she was Arya Stark, he was her make a wish and he's dead pal, then said give me a call sometime... They are up to something...

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Yes. I never thought of that…totally contradicts what he says to her, and what we learn about FM later.



It did sound like he was trying to manipulate or engage her. Like a ….see, I am doing a favor for you, in a way. I got that vibe. I tried to ignore it. I can't.



And this…also makes him Genie from Aladdin.



I totally agree with you. If he heard gossip. That the Hand was killed, and a girl was missing. And he knew she was a girl, and no girl should be harbored to go to the Wall with Yoren. Would be hard to find out, but not impossible for him, on the off chance he heard some choice pieces of gossip, and put it together. No evidence for it, but not 100% ruled out either.

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Crap, wanted to add this...



And that is a possibility, overhearing somehow and connecting the dots, but are you thinking that FM and Jaqen, as their facilitator, targeted Arya earlier then we thought? Because that would be intriguing.


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Could be! It's just all a little too off and a little too convenient. And she is, after all, Arya Stark. She's not no one at all, she's from one of the highest noble houses. It wouldn't have taken much to know she was training with Syrio, and inclined toward this sort of thing. I just think there's more to it...

So he brings their stories together - they meet, the three kills, the offer to come with him/he tells her how to find him:

"If you would learn, you must come with me... If the day comes when you would find me again..."

And again - she goes looking for him:

"I only came to find Jaqen H'ghar... He said he'd teach me secrets..."

And will they meet again, in Westeros? His offer was for her to come with him. Does she know where to find him now?

(put the quotes on the other page)

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What the hell recruitment process is this? It's odd. And I have to separate how much of it is him, how much is he following House recruiting protocol, because it seems like a confusing mix of both.

It is too personal. No, I like the wording "not very objective" better. And that offer? What the hell...

Well, he covers himself. Straight out offers to take her, and gives an "insurance" coin that she can get there of her own volition.

But what I am struggling with now, are the odds. What if she never went to Braavos? Was she being left alone by him and/or FM? Are her abilities that formidable that they want her? He took a kindly shine to her? So, they are not robots?

Do FM walk around with coins and even offer to escort you there personally, like a college sports recruiter?

Because when I read that, you can come with me, stuff, I was concerned. It is totally the mystery of not being able to put a finger clearly on this organization.

And how much is him? He is still a human. How much is it his training under them, his background? And how much is this is businesslike/FM side?

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I think Jaqen definitely banged the bathhouse attendant, that much is certain. The one who wouldn't go away. Arya waited patiently, and she wasn't budging.

Jaqen: "A man believes a beverage should be shaken, but a man believes a beverage should not be stirred."

Gregor: "He gets tortured next."

:cool4: :smoking: These are the only smileys that remotely denote James Bond cool and contained.

Oh, the James Bond thing just popped up in my head. But you know, I didn't pick up on that. That is interesting and I have to re-read that part.

I like the possibility that it gives a more human element. Ok, he talks like a Yoda robot, he is no one, we know some stuff about FM from Arya…BUT can the House of B&W really have all their agents do that? Can they never slip, can they suppress all human urges? All of their individual needs or wants. Whether emotionally, psychologically, physically, etc...

The powers that be know they travel far for missions and won't know everything. They focus so much on following the most important rules, for example, taking only the life on your assignment. We know the NW turns a blind eye to Moles Town......snip

Jaqen H'agar says "A man has needs. A man's needs must be shaken, not stirred. Valar shaghulis."*

He is like James Bond, a spy. So he must to gather intelligence and well, there is nothing like finding out what the locals, ahem, know.

However, being a gentleman assassin spy, he didn't mention this part of his mission to the young Arya.

*Valar shaghulis "All men must shag." :leer:

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What the hell recruitment process is this? It's odd. And I have to separate how much of it is him, how much is he following House recruiting protocol, because it seems like a confusing mix of both.

It is too personal. No, I like the wording "not very objective" better. And that offer? What the hell...

Well, he covers himself. Straight out offers to take her, and gives an "insurance" coin that she can get there of her own volition.

But what I am struggling with now, are the odds. What if she never went to Braavos? Was she being left alone by him and/or FM? Are her abilities that formidable that they want her? He took a kindly shine to her? So, they are not robots?

Do FM walk around with coins and even offer to escort you there personally, like a college sports recruiter?

Because when I read that, you can come with me, stuff, I was concerned. It is totally the mystery of not being able to put a finger clearly on this organization.

And how much is him? He is still a human. How much is it his training under them, his background? And how much is this is businesslike/FM side?

Perhaps Yoren picked him from the black cells as a professional courtesy. You know, one recruiter can recognize another. I think he is human. He may be an assassin w/o a name, but he seems to have more humanity than Lord Tywin or Ser Gregor.

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Perhaps Yoren picked him from the black cells as a professional courtesy. You know, one recruiter can recognize another. I think he is human. He may be an assassin w/o a name, but he seems to have more humanity than Lord Tywin or Ser Gregor.

I just thought of something.

Yoren is no fool. He has travelled…a lot. He always struck me as the guy who has seen at all and never blanches. Nothing ruffles him.

Not sure if this is what you mean. What would Yoren think he recruits? But how funny if Yoren knows or suspect he is an FM? Or if not. Or that he does something that is not normal for those parts? Maybe he did not hear anything about some psycho murder rap or something, but he just senses…trouble, or that he is not what he seems. So he can lock him up knowing he was in the prison, for something, like Rorge and Biter and can use that as an excuse.

I would totally give it up to Yoren to guess something is up with Jaqen.

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If folks are interested in some good stuff about the Faceless and Mr. Jacket Cigar, there was a Heresy thread dedicated to them last month, with a great OP by butterbumps!: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116939-heresy-134-the-faceless-men/



Not much on the Riverlands there, but some good thoughts about the philosophy and ethics of the Faceless, and about Jaqen's character and interactions with Arya.



Just want to say that the moment when Arya named Jaqen as her third owed "death" was the clincher for me, when I knew that I was in for an even richer experience following this amazing girl's story, that I'd be following everything she says and does and thinks with bated breath. Seriously, my jaw dropped. Incidentally, I think that was the clincher for Jaqen as well. Sure, he'd been paying attention to her for a while, but then wham! she intuitively gets the way in which even if you're no one you still have to be someone. A man's mind is blown, and a man forks over an iron coin.


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Jaqen H'agar says "A man has needs. A man's needs must be shaken, not stirred. Valar shaghulis."*

He is like James Bond, a spy. So he must to gather intelligence and well, there is nothing like finding out what the locals, ahem, know.

However, being a gentleman assassin spy, he didn't mention this part of his mission to the young Arya.

*Valar shaghulis "All men must shag." :leer:

I LOVE that! :lol:

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If folks are interested in some good stuff about the Faceless and Mr. Jacket Cigar, there was a Heresy thread dedicated to them last month, with a great OP by butterbumps!: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116939-heresy-134-the-faceless-men/

Not much on the Riverlands there, but some good thoughts about the philosophy and ethics of the Faceless, and about Jaqen's character and interactions with Arya.

Just want to say that the moment when Arya named Jaqen as her third owed "death" was the clincher for me, when I knew that I was in for an even richer experience following this amazing girl's story, that I'd be following everything she says and does and thinks with bated breath. Seriously, my jaw dropped. Incidentally, I think that was the clincher for Jaqen as well. Sure, he'd been paying attention to her for a while, but then wham! she intuitively gets the way in which even if you're no one you still have to be someone. A man's mind is blown, and a man forks over an iron coin.

Yeah. This is stuff I am wondering about and a bunch of things Le Cygne pointed out.

There are moments that are not very FM-ish. Where he perhaps falters or lets down his guard, and the 3rd naming was bigger than these little chinks in his imposed FM armor.

And he is still in the story. Jumping from KL to Riverlands, perhaps Pyke, the Citadel, wherever, and I think he is going to be there in the upcoming books too. I mean, he totally shows many things. First, that they are human. Arya shows us that too. You can't really 100% lose yourself. I think second, that he contradicts himself, which LeCygne totally hit with the bs about the "one death for one life" crap, because that won't explain the fire incident really. And third, what we learn from Arya with the FM code, during her time with them, is not always what he does.

My big concern for my favorite people is this too: Arya is with them and they are connected with the red god business. So is Gendry with BWB. They have to get away from that. Between BWB, Mel, and others, what is the true, er, red religion? Everybody seems to do what they want anyway. We have Beric sparing Sandor because the red god does't want him yet, and then the FM. Hey, before they kill you or spring on you in surprise, do they wonder if maybe you have more to do yet?

A bunch of bunk…absolute hooey!

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"You only live twice" as Jaqen's theme?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8uYxTJ530

A Bond movie was on tv today.

Why start it up? LOL!

From Lorath with love….not

On His Kindly Man’s Secret Service

Gold Coins are Forever

Live and Let Three Die

The Bathhouse Attendant that Shagged Me? This is only a theory. lol!

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Yeah. This is stuff I am wondering about and a bunch of things Le Cygne pointed out.

There are moments that are not very FM-ish. Where he perhaps falters or lets down his guard, and the 3rd naming was bigger than these little chinks in his imposed FM armor.

And he is still in the story. Jumping from KL to Riverlands, perhaps Pyke, the Citadel, wherever, and I think he is going to be there in the upcoming books too. I mean, he totally shows many things. First, that they are human. Arya shows us that too. You can't really 100% lose yourself. I think second, that he contradicts himself, which LeCygne totally hit with the bs about the "one death for one life" crap, because that won't explain the fire incident really. And third, what we learn from Arya with the FM code, during her time with them, is not always what he does.

My big concern for my favorite people is this too: Arya is with them and they are connected with the red god business. So is Gendry with BWB. They have to get away from that. Between BWB, Mel, and others, what is the true, er, red religion? Everybody seems to do what they want anyway. We have Beric sparing Sandor because the red god does't want him yet, and then the FM. Hey, before they kill you or spring on you in surprise, do they wonder if maybe you have more to do yet?

A bunch of bunk…absolute hooey!

I don't actually think it's a bunch of bunk/hooey, even if it's not to my liking (though I'm pretty sympathetic to the Faceless, but not at all to R'hllorism). I don't think that Jaqen's actions are entirely inconsistent with the philosophy of the Faceless (we went on for pages about this over at that Heresy thread I mentioned!), and I think that Thoros is very different from Mel (who has definitely gone rogue). Wherever Arya ends up heading, I think she's already been profoundly influenced by the Faceless, though her experiences made her already receptive to their philosophy. I hear you, booknerd, when you're worried that our girl is becoming an angel of death, but don't lose your faith in her! She's got such an amazing ability to trump anyone's ace, and truly, I think that the "enlightened" faceless know how to be simultaneously no one and someone: she might be able to out-faceless the faceless. (I'll confess, though, that I think this might still be something terrifying. Just don't forget: the Faceless are supposedly not allowed to kill someone they know!)

As for Gendry, his R'hllorism is very interesting. It's striking how the thing that finally gets him to blow his top at the Crossroads Inn is the septon wanting to pray, and Gendry's suddenly all up in his R'hllorism. But I think this has to do with him really not liking the direction that the BwB has taken after Beric's death and the rise of LS. I think for him the R'hllorism stands for everything that resonated with him originally about the BwB, and that he saw an authenticity in Thoros' religion, precisely because Thoros wasn't really bullshitting about it; I like to imagine that off scene Gendry and Thoros have been having thoughtful chats with one another when the BwB check in at the Inn. Thoros is a pretty smart guy, and I don't think he's a bad influence for Gendry (errgh, but then there's also that question of whether Thoros knows Gendry's paternity).

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