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Why are the Unsullied so specialized? Where do their puppies come from?


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#1 Game Of Thrones

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:21 AM

Two questions about the Unsullied.

1.Apparently, the slave masters of Astapor can miraculously make people feel no fear, never disobey, and make eunuchs stronger than they should be. One wonders how these group of innovative scientists were so stupid as to sell their whole army inside their fucking city.

So why do they sell only Roman-style infantry?

Think about it. They CANNOT FEEL FEAR. They NEVER DISOBEY. They AREN'T AS WEAK AS OTHER EUNUCHS.

So why not Unsullied knights? Unsullied light cavalry? Unsullied pikemen? Unsullied archers? Unsullied swordsmen? Unsullied mounted archers? Unsullied horses?



2. How can Astapor afford the puppies that each Unsullied kills? I understand the slaves, but not the puppies.

Edited by Game Of Thrones, 19 August 2014 - 04:36 AM.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:27 AM

Because, as you noted, these guys are a bunch of morons. Their way of training the Unsullied is ridiculously counterproductive; for example, having them as eunuchs makes them very weak, and executing trainees for next to no reason, even if they've made it through half the training, results in a huge waste of resources. Even though the vast majority of recruits die and never become Unsullied, their 1 in 3 success rate is still probably unrealistically high. 

 

Me, I'm just wondering who this dog breeder is that's profiting so much off of selling twenty five thousand puppies to Astapor every generation or so. Imagine if they could no longer afford the puppies; Astapor would have to accept bankruptcy, as the puppy-killing phase is no doubt an irreplaceable part of this high quality and totally-not-just-Stupid-Evil training.


Edited by Nihlus, 19 August 2014 - 04:48 AM.


#3 Game Of Thrones

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:30 AM

Me, I'm just wondering who this dog breeder is that's profiting so much off of selling eight thousand puppies to Astapor every generation or so. 

I've got it! That's how LF makes so much money! By selling 25,000 puppies every year to the Good Masters!

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:33 AM

They didn't want to dilute the effect of their brand name by churning out cheap knock offs. Unsullied archers? Horsemen? Might as well sell canned ravioli.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:35 AM

They didn't want to dilute the effect of their brand name by churning out cheap knock offs. Unsullied archers? Horsemen? Might as well sell canned ravioli.

Archers or cavalry that never run away and never disobey are better than normal archers or cavalry.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:38 AM

Archers or cavalry that never run away and never disobey are better than normal archers or cavalry.

 

And ravioli you can heat in the microwave is more convenient than eating at an Italian restaurant. Your move, sir.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:39 AM

Dude, why are a bunch of ice demons raising an army of zombies to achieve as of yet blurry goals? Sometimes, we need to take some things with a pinch of salt.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:42 AM

 
And ravioli you can heat in the microwave is more convenient than eating at an Italian restaurant. Your move, sir.

Of course.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:43 AM

Also, if the dog breeders that supply Astapor with 25,000 puppies a year go on strike, Astapor will go bankrupt.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:19 AM

Two questions about the Unsullied.

1.Apparently, the slave masters of Astapor can miraculously make people feel no fear, never disobey, and make eunuchs stronger than they should be. One wonders how these group of innovative scientists were so stupid as to sell their whole army inside their fucking city.

So why do they sell only Roman-style infantry?

Think about it. They CANNOT FEEL FEAR. They NEVER DISOBEY. They AREN'T AS WEAK AS OTHER EUNUCHS.

So why not Unsullied knights? Unsullied light cavalry? Unsullied pikemen? Unsullied archers? Unsullied swordsmen? Unsullied mounted archers? Unsullied horses?

Because the slavers are traditionalists. The Unsullied fightingstyle is based on the one that made Ancient Ghis' empire so great. 



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:20 AM

Because the slavers are traditionalists. The Unsullied fightingstyle is based on the one that made Ancient Ghis' empire so great. 

Guess that's why SB sucks: because Ghis sucked.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:25 AM

Because slavers are mustache twirling villains will all conseqenses that comes from that.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:30 AM

Because slavers are mustache twirling villains will all conseqenses that comes from that.

That doesn't explain AT ALL the source of their puppies. :(

Edited by Game Of Thrones, 19 August 2014 - 05:30 AM.


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:37 AM

 
And ravioli you can heat in the microwave is more convenient than eating at an Italian restaurant. Your move, sir.


My homemade Italian ravioli are true deliciousness, the canned ones are a bad imitation..


The maesters own a factory, they mass produce - with a scaling and efficient process - a product that is good enough for the purpose it's sold.

Trying to sell niche products as u suggests it's not profitable right now :
- anything more specialised would require way more expensive equipment, especially knights
- absence of strong concurrents in the free market simply removes the need for specialisation of their own product.. it ain't like they would sell more units, the customers are still limited to Essos
- the failing rate of producing niche soldiers would the higher because their experience in that field is lower, hence less profits and higher production costs
- in general the entire production process would be more expensive
- the benefit of selling them at higher prices is arguable : newer models would represent a newer brand of products that would not yet be proved into battlefield, the customers might not be willingly to adopt new types of soldiers in great numbers. Many customers might still prefer quantity over "specialisation", ten unsullied are still better than a single Knight unsullied.


You claim that their way of mass producing unsullied is stupid, I disagree. We have not the instruments to state whether an unsullied can be shaped as he is in mind and body if the maester don't put them through the experiences they are out through: killing puppies, infants, having their pénis cut down. The latter me get be a fundamental requirement, removing genitals might be compulsory to obtaining a man who never disobeys and feels no desire, rather than accessory. They surely believe this is fundamental, or they wouldn't practice it since it's expensive.

Discarding the 'defective' products might again be the only way to ensure they have a quality product that does what is asked for. It's true that they are wealthy and there is abundance of slaves, but contrary to common beliefs all merchants and entrepreneurs are able to do math very well. They wouldn't give up the prospect of profits if that wasn't a necessary way to go.

So no, they are not morons and they have no reason to change their best product into something else right now.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:44 AM

The Unsullied do not ask how many the enemies are but where they are.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:19 AM

Because the last time Slavers Bay experienced war was a couple millennias ago. And apart from dragons, legions (or rather hoplites) were state of the art then.

They are stuck in the past and have had no exposure to any kind of military development.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:33 AM

Puppy is a specialty to them so I imagine they have dog farms like other cultures have cattle or guinea pig farms. (While I would never eat dog, I actually don't look down on the Ghiscari for eating them.)

 

Also, I believe it's noted that the castration makes them weaker but it's made up for by the mental effects and (I think) girth. case in point, Strong Belwas.

 

And just to stir things up in this weird puppy thread, Game of Thrones and Mokymok, your signatures make no sense.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:48 AM

And just to stir things up in this weird puppy thread, Game of Thrones and Mokymok, your signatures make no sense.

JCRB's avatar does blink. I was the first person to notice it.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:50 AM

JCRB's avatar does blink. I was the first person to notice it.

woman,you braid like an ass and make no sense. :lol:



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 07:51 AM

Two questions about the Unsullied.

1.Apparently, the slave masters of Astapor can miraculously make people feel no fear, never disobey, and make eunuchs stronger than they should be. One wonders how these group of innovative scientists were so stupid as to sell their whole army inside their fucking city.

So why do they sell only Roman-style infantry?

Think about it. They CANNOT FEEL FEAR. They NEVER DISOBEY. They AREN'T AS WEAK AS OTHER EUNUCHS.

So why not Unsullied knights? Unsullied light cavalry? Unsullied pikemen? Unsullied archers? Unsullied swordsmen? Unsullied mounted archers? Unsullied horses?



2. How can Astapor afford the puppies that each Unsullied kills? I understand the slaves, but not the puppies.

1) They seem to be a mix of pikemen (twow mentions pikes) greek style hoplites (short spear and large shield) and roman infantry( sword and javelin) , astopor sells them like that as they seem to be able to mass produce them on order and buissness is apprently good....if u want to hire knights etc theres tens of thousands of those for sale elsewhere.

 

2) breed them