Fireandblood94 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Would I be correct I saying that Joffery should've been a ward in Winterfell? We're lead to believe that the Stark- Baratheon alliance kept the peace in the realm after RR, so naturally I assume it would've been beneifical for all if Joffery went to Winterfell to be friend the future Stark lord Robb. The only reason why this didn't happen that I can think of is that Cersei wouldn't want Joffery to leave her. If so. It's a great error by both Tywin and Robert not to insist that this happened because Joffery would've been raised by a father like figure in Ned and would probably be a much better person and therefore a better king.Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Joffrey being raised by anyone other than Cersei, would have been a major improvement on Joffrey's nature. By the time we meet Joff (at the age of 12), he might have been too much influenced by Cersei already. Though what we see from Joffrey, subtly, is that he is longing for his father to love him. Ned was an actual father figure, and even with Theon, who was a hostage who Ned couldn't bond too much with (in the case that he would need to cut of Theon's head), Ned tried to act like a dad every now and then. So for Joffrey, Ned would been a good father figure, who would show Joffrey the affection (though it most likely in the beginning wouldn't have been meant) that he needed. Such behaviour to Joff might have done him good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Casterly Rock makes more sense. Tywin is his grandfather and Cersei would probably be less likely to object. Tywin wouldn't be as good an influence as Ned but Joff wouldn't be near as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes, Or make it Casterly Rock or Riverrun. The Eyrie, Dragonstone and Storms End are out because these Lords would be in KL anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hightower Girl Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 But he's the heir to the throne! I can imagine those are not so easily sent to other houses. We can put the question round: Why none of the Stark sons went to other houses? Ok. Robb as a firstborn had to learn directly from his father, but Bran was old enough at least to consider this question. He could go to Stannis for example. And the Starks don't have any wards except Theon (actually a hostage, somehow the situation was forced on Ned). None of the younger sons on northern houses? None of the Riverland's boys? At the same time both Ned and Catelyn take it for granted that Sweetrobin, the only child of Jon Arryn, and the only Arryn heir to the Vale was to be sent to some other place, although not being a healthy child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 But he's the heir to the throne! I can imagine those are not so easily sent to other houses. We can put the question round: Why none of the Stark sons went to other houses? Ok. Robb as a firstborn had to learn directly from his father, but Bran was old enough at least to consider this question. He could go to Stannis for example. And the Starks don't have any wards except Theon (actually a hostage, somehow the situation was forced on Ned). None of the younger sons on northern houses? None of the Riverland's boys? At the same time both Ned and Catelyn take it for granted that Sweetrobin, the only child of Jon Arryn, and the only Arryn heir to the Vale was to be sent to some other place, although not being a healthy child. The "why wasn't Robb fostered" issue is currently being discussed here, coincidentally :) (the title of the thread might suggest differently, but we got a little OT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hightower Girl Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes, Rhaenys_Targaryen, you're right. I saw this Joffrey thread first, posted, came back to the main site and below encountered the Robb topic ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Isn't the distance between KL and Winterfell too far? Joffrey was the heir to the throne so it makes sense to have him somewhere not too far away in case he was needed for any official events (weddings, funerals etc.) They should have warded him at Dragonstone with Stannis. That would have been interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tyrion I Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Casterly Rock makes more sense. Tywin is his grandfather and Cersei would probably be less likely to object. Tywin wouldn't be as good an influence as Ned but Joff wouldn't be near as bad. :agree: He (Joffrey) would have been quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Ayras Lord Commander Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes, Or make it Casterly Rock or Riverrun. The Eyrie, Dragonstone and Storms End are out because these Lords would be in KL anyway. Basically anywhere where Cersei cannot influence him. I'm surprised Tywin didn't actively suggest he come to CR. As this is a veiled debate about nature vs nurture, Joff's nature is clearly wicked (I'm basing this in part on show Joff). So I don't know how much a better nurturing system would have helped his behavior. If anything, I think he'd just learn how to hide it better, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Casterly Rock makes more sense. Tywin is his grandfather and Cersei would probably be less likely to object. Tywin wouldn't be as good an influence as Ned but Joff wouldn't be near as bad. Tywin was an atrocious parent and his wife was dead. Joff would've probably ended up just as messed up if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dielsis Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 They should have warded him at Dragonstone with Stannis. That would have been interesting. Can you imagine a meme with a picture of Joffrey saying "The Wall was built to protect the Others from Joffrey" ?? :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Joffrey would've been the same no matter who raised him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 But he's the heir to the throne! I can imagine those are not so easily sent to other houses. They still have obligations. Wasn't Rhaegar himself a squire? Being a squire is the lowest of the duties in knighthood. Considering that the Faith is involved with being a knight, I suppose squiring is for you to learn how to serve and being humble. Or at least to learn how to survive alone and not starving to death. Of course, Cersei wouldn't allow neither her kids to be sent away nor being given "lesser" tasks like cleaning some other guy's armour and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I think anyone who suggested this to Cersei would have found themselves drinking tears of lys before long.But seriously, Cersei only agreed for Myrcella to go to Dorne because it was "safer". Joffrey as the crown prince probably wouldn't be fostered. But it would have helped if he'd been away from Cersei and had a friend. It perhaps could have had the effect Ned and Robb had on Theon - made him a better person but his nature remained the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Imagine Joffrey being fostered at CR. Cersei's cruelty and arrogance... with Tywin's brains :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Greatest_Walrus Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 They still have obligations. Wasn't Rhaegar himself a squire? Being a squire is the lowest of the duties in knighthood. Considering that the Faith is involved with being a knight, I suppose squiring is for you to learn how to serve and being humble. Or at least to learn how to survive alone and not starving to death. Of course, Cersei wouldn't allow neither her kids to be sent away nor being given "lesser" tasks like cleaning some other guy's armour and stuff. I believe the lowest duty in knighthood is actually being a page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page-boy. Aside from that, good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I believe the lowest duty in knighthood is actually being a page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page-boy. Aside from that, good point. lol. yes. you're right. But the statement is the same. Joffrey barely received any kind of education related with being a knight or learn how to serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Ayras Lord Commander Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 lol. yes. you're right. But the statement is the same. Joffrey barely received any kind of education related with being a knight or learn how to serve. Fixed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Fixed it! Hey, maybe he knew how to count... to three or four... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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