Good Guy Garlan Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 First up, the Tourney at Ashford Summary: In D&E, Lady Ashford's last remaining champions are: Lyonel BaratheonLeo TyrellTybolt LannisterHumfrey HardyngPrince Valarr TargaryenSansa's first betrothed to Joffrey BaratheonSansa's then planned to be wed to Willas TyrellSansa's married to Tyrion LannisterSansa's now being betrothed to Harry HardyngOnly a Targaryen is missing Second, this thread about the similarities between Sansa and Lyanna: Right now, Sansa, like Lyanna, is betrothed to a young, handsome womanizer being fostered at the Vale. The only thing missing is a dragon to come and save her, like Rhaegar did. Third, the fact that Ser Shadrich the Mad Mouse is currently at the Vale and it's quite likely that he works for Varys. So right there we have already a tangible link connecting Sansa's and Aegon's storylines Fourth, the fact that Sansa would be a much smarter political match than Arianne. Sansa has important family ties to the North, Riverlands, and Vale. Rickon seems poised to become lord of Winterfell again, and Aegon could give Edmure a little push by attacking the Freys (which I think it's possible in this thread) Fifth, a Sansa-Aegon match could be ripe with thematic meaning and character development, not only because Aegon seems to be the perfect prince that Sansa used to fantasize with, but also because he is, in many ways, a male version of former Sansa, because of his naivety (not considering the possibility that Dany would reject him, being frozen in fear of the Stone Men, trusting everyone on sight, etc), which could be an interesting dychotomy considering Sansa's more mature and experienced personality Of course, I don't mean they're endgame or anything like that. They might not even get married or officially betrothed, for all I know. But I think they will be a potential pairing and will even be in the same team, for a while, at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 1. Aegon isn't even a Targaryen.2. Why would he want to marry the daughter of a traitor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 1. Aegon isn't even a Targaryen. 2. Why would he want to marry the daughter of a traitor? 1.Until proved otherwise, he is, so I'm working under that assumption. Besides, people in Westeros will consider him one, whether he is or not. 2. Ned was only a traitor for the Lannister regime, which Aegon is also trying to overthrow. And because the daughter in question is the embodiment of Hoster Tully's cleverness: she's the sister of the rightful lord of Winterfell, niece of the rightful lord of Riverrun, and cousin of the rightful lord of the Eyrie. In other words, she's a political jackpot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 You make a good case, and actually I agree. I think an Aegon betrothal is what Littlefinger is planning. 1. Aegon isn't even a Targaryen.2. Why would he want to marry the daughter of a traitor?1. Provide proof. Oh, you have none. Nevermind then.2. Eddard Stark and Catelyn Tully's daughter potentially brings the North, the Riverlands, and maybe the Vale as well. If Aegon knows what Aerys II did, he might see marrying Sansa as a way to make amends to House Stark for the wrongs that led them to rebel in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Arianne's closer, and offers Aegon Dorne. She's already on her way to Aegon, as we know from her sample chapter. So when she thinks he's real, she'll send word to Doran, who'll probably have Arianne marry him.Dorne also offers soldiers closer than the North, for Aegon to use to win the throne, and more willing to fight for him. Why would the North go from fighting for independence to helping someone win the throne and once again be ruled by the IT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey Snow Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 1.Until proved otherwise, he is, so I'm working under that assumption. Besides, people in Westeros will consider him one, whether he is or not. 2. Ned was only a traitor for the Lannister regime, which Aegon is also trying to overthrow. And because the daughter in question is the embodiment of Hoster Tully's cleverness: she's the sister of the rightful lord of Winterfell, niece of the rightful lord of Riverrun, and cousin of the rightful lord of the Eyrie. In other words, she's a political jackpot Ned was a traitor against the Targaryen rule in Robert's Rebellion. That said, I am not sure that Aegon would hold Sansa accountable for her father's decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Damn dude I only really ever liked/foresaw the Sansa/Aegon pairing based on your fourth and fifth points. The others are just icing on the cake (the first is especially interesting). Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I don't believe that ultimately this match will happen, but I do believe that there is some slight chance of this match being proposed. If Varys hides behind Aegon and LF is fooled with this, we might see the Sharra Arryn scenario when the portrait was sent to Aegon the Conqueror who refused it in order to marry his sisters. So, this might happen here too. LF may propose Sansa's portrait which will be denied... That being said, I don't believe that the end game for Sansa is Aegon. ETA: Clarification: the girl was denied not the portrait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 Arianne's closer, and offers Aegon Dorne. She's already on her way to Aegon, as we know from her sample chapter. So when she thinks he's real, she'll send word to Doran, who'll probably have Arianne marry him.Dorne also offers soldiers closer than the North, for Aegon to use to win the throne, and more willing to fight for him. Why would the North go from fighting for independence to helping someone win the throne and once again be ruled by the IT? Because maybe Aegon/JonCon think Dorne should help them without expecting a marriage in return, since Aegon is supposed to be Elia's son. As for the North, it's a good point, but like I said, Aegon could help restore Edmure as lord of RR by attacking the Freys (who are also the North's enemies and have several important northern hostages). So I think a Rickon-lead North would feel compelled to help Aegon win the throne, especially since it would mean fighting Lannisters. And even if the North renounces to its independence, Sansa being queen of the IT would be a hell of a consolation prize Damn dude I only really ever liked/foresaw the Sansa/Aegon pairing based on your fourth and fifth points. The others are just icing on the cake (the first is especially interesting). Bravo! :D Thanks, but all credit goes to the posters who came up with those theories, the one of the Tourney and the one of the parallels with Lyanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 :D Thanks, but all credit goes to the posters who came up with those theories, the one of the Tourney and the one of the parallels with Lyanna Bravo for the consolidation then :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 snip Well done. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I see Sansa marrying Harry the Heir based on her similarities with Cersei. Harry is her Robert Baratheon complete with a bastard daughter in the Vale. Joffrey was her twisted version of Rhaegar (a prince born of incest) and Cersei was the Mad Queen. It's not a perfect match but the parallels are there. Still, I think there is something to Sansa's line back in the first book where she tells Cersei "I'll be a queen just like you." I just don't see Varys throwing in with Littlefinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryden Tully Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I like the theory about LF killing both Harry the heir and sweet robin allowing himself to take up the position. As mentioned before Arianne would be a bad match since Dorne should already support Aegon due to Elia and it's targ history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 I see Sansa marrying Harry the Heir based on her similarities with Cersei. Harry is her Robert Baratheon complete with a bastard daughter in the Vale. Joffrey was her twisted version of Rhaegar (a prince born of incest) and Cersei was the Mad Queen. It's not a perfect match but the parallels are there.Still, I think there is something to Sansa's line back in the first book where she tells Cersei "I'll be a queen just like you." I just don't see Varys throwing in with Littlefinger. Good points, I like that parallel. But I also don't see Varys and LF working together, which is why I think Harry is just a red herring and that entire plan is gonna come crashing down on LF's head (mostly because he spelled out his whole plan and in fiction that it's not going to work out) So once Sansa is finally free from LF, I think she'll be contacted by Varys, through the Mad Mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 2. Ned was only a traitor for the Lannister regime, which Aegon is also trying to overthrow. And because the daughter in question is the embodiment of Hoster Tully's cleverness: she's the sister of the rightful lord of Winterfell, niece of the rightful lord of Riverrun, and cousin of the rightful lord of the Eyrie. In other words, she's a political jackpot I think they meant that Ned Stark was part of the rebellion that killed the Targaryen. But whatever, I agree with you. Aegon still needs the North, and Sansa could bring together the North, the Vale and the Riverlands. Arianne is not only just bringing Dorne, but that would send a wrong message: Aegon would be marrying into Dorne for help. Why would he if he's already the son of Elia and nephew of Doran Martell? He only needs to ask for such help, in the same way the Riverlands only needed to ask Robb and the Starks for help, not marrying him to a Tully, due to being tied together via marriage with Cat (and that's the reason Arryn married Lysa, in first place). If Doran is smart, then Arianne should marry someone else, like Willas. Then, Aegon would have the North, the Vale, the Riverlands, the Stormlands, Dorne and the Reach. Also, the logic of "Sansa is already fed up with pretty boys, so he won't like Aegon" is something I find absurd. Just because she has been abused by Joffrey and had a bad marriage is she supposed to stay a single virgin for the rest of her life or go for ugly men only? I can picture Sansa first rejecting Aegon because she's afraid to commit the same mistake again, but Aegon is nothing like Joffrey nor Harry the Heir. Just because she has learnt the lesson about Prince Charming doesn't mean he can't actually meet one who is worthy enough. Aegon fits that: he's not bad looking and he's actually smart and kind. Why wouldn't Sansa fall for him once he realises he's not a monster like Joffrey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Or the Mad Mouse is a secret Targaryen and the Aegon Varys really refered to when talking to Kevan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janicia Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Interesting foreshadowing. I would like Sansa to end up happily married, but I don't think Sansa and Aegon are meant to be. Aegon needs a bride that can provide him with the full resources and army of a great house. He is in a war now, he needs a bride with connections that are useful now. While Sansa has a powerful name, the North and Riverlands are currently being run by her enemies and have taken so much damage that even if her supporters regained control, they couldn't offer much help to Aegon. And Sansa's connection to the Vale is tenuous. Would they really go to war for Jon Arryn's wife's niece's husband? And Sansa would look tarnished to Aegon. Ned was part of the coalition that tried to kill him. Sansa was betrothed to Joffrey and married to Tyrion, so she's strongly tainted by Lannister association. And Sansa is still married, so there is a legal barrier. And worse, she's married to a man who is widely considered to be an evil imp, a demon monkey. To be crude, Aegon probably wouldn't want Tyrion's seconds and wouldn't want to be seen having the woman that Tyrion previously had. Further, Littlefinger really seems to want Sansa for himself, and who knows if he'd throw his support behind Aegon. And Sansa might not want to jump back into the center of the civil war, or into a new political marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Also, the logic of "Sansa is already fed up with pretty boys, so he won't like Aegon" is something I find absurd. :agree: She wanted to marry Loras, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I think it's quite possible for Sansa to marry Aegon and I like the idea of him being the prince she's been dreaming about. I think Sansa would make a very good queen and I think it's quite likely that she wil end up queen in some capacity but then I don't presume to guess what GRRM's planning. She would make more sense than Arianne for reasons other posters have stated. But she wouldn't bring armies with her. She could bring the political support of the riverlands and north but they're not going to war again except to get Riverrun and Winterfell back. It would still mean peace with those 2 reasons though. The north might still want independence though or at the very least more autonomy but with a Sansa-Aegon marriage, they could negotiate terms peacefully and at the very least be allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon_NoJoy Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Perhaps another similarity... if Aegon is paired with Arianne and subsequently becomes enamored with Sansa, we have a repeat of Rhaegar, Elia, Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.