Looking in the MUSH for some World Book content

[The hairy bear]

Since I've received a coupe of PM from people asking for a list of the differences between the family trees from Blood of Dragons versions 1.0 and 2.0, I've thought that I'd made a new post with them.

Just to recap: Blood of Dragons is MUSH run by Ran and Linda that takes place during the reigns of Daeron I and Baelor the Blessed. The help with the role-playing they created a set of family trees with all the playable families. The first versuion of the trees was created a long time ago (I copied it in my hard drive in 2006, and they had been around for some time). Recently, those trees were modifed to make them compatible with the new information that is bound to be released in the World Book. Therefore we can assume that, to some extent, the changes that are not the result of in-game eventualities are likely to anticipate info from the World Book. We have to keep in mind, though, that some additions could be due to the widening of the MUSH scope and that some things couldn't be changed because they were too ingrained within the gameplay so we can't take the information for granted (see Ran's post on the changes).

That said:

King's Landing area:

• CELTIGAR: Lord Jandren Celtigar (b. 107) changed to Clement Celtigar (idem)
• MASSEY: Three new characters appear: {Lord Gormon Massey} (b. 92) killed while trying to ride a dragon (d. 129), {Ser Robin Massey} (b. 112) briefly Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, later murdered during a quarrel over a horse (d. 133), and cousin {Glenna Massey} (b. 100), nurse and companion to Princess Naerys Targaryen, killed by Sullehman Saan (d. 162).
• ROSBY: Three new characters appear: {Lord Mathar Rosby} (b. 100), Lord of Rosby, a man of changable allegiances, executed at the command of Rhaenyra Targaryen (d. 130), Mathar's daughter, Janora Rosby (b. 117), a silent sister, and Mathar's son, {Ser Haric Rosby} (b. 123), once heir to Rosby, a sellsword, killed in the Disputed Lands (d. 147),

The North:

• STARK:The entire house has been completely changed. The lord of Winterfell was changed from Brandon Stark (b. 128) to Cregan Stark (b. 108). His wife was Mylarra of House Dustin (b. 130) and now she has three wives: {Lady Arra Norrey} (b. 110), dead in child bed (d. 129), {Lady Alysanne Blackwood} (b. 113), called Black Aly (d. 146), and Lynara Stark (b. 131). The new children (none of them existed in 1.0) are {Ser Rickon Stark} (b. 128) killed at Sunspear (d. 157), [[m. Jeyne Manderly (b. 130), and father to Sansa Stark (b. 150) and Serena Stark (b. 152)]], Marian Stark (b. 140) [[m. Seth Blackwood (b. 138), a cousin, heir to Raventree Hal]], Jonnel Stark (b. 150), heir to Winterfell, Edric Stark (b. 151), Barthogan Stark (b. 158), called Barth Stark, and Brandon Stark (b. 160). Lord Cregan's father is also added: his father, {Lord Rickon Stark} (b. 88), Lord of Winterfell, Warden of the North (d. 121)

The Riverlands:

• TULLY: Originally Riverrun was ruled by Lady Tinessa Tully (b.112), married to Patrek Vance (b. 114). Now it is run by Lord Kermit Tully (b. 112) married to Lady Tinessa Vance. The new lord's father is added as {Lord Elmo Tully} (b. 88), dead of illness (d. 131). And a dead inconsequential brother is changed to Ser Oscar Tully (b. 115), a famous knight, once leader of a sellsword company.
• BLACKWOOD: The lords Auriens Blackwood and Tyrianne Lannister are changed to Lord Benjicot Blackwood (b. 117), called Bloody Ben, and his wife, Lady Ellyn Baratheon (b. 119). A fourth children is added: Melissa Blackwood (b. 158), and the marriage of their heir to a Stark daughter is added. Also added are Lady Alysanne Blackwood (an aunt who married Cregan Stark) and the lord's father, {Lord Samwell Blackwood} (b. 96), Lord of Raventree Hall, killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 129).
• DARRY: The lord of the house has been changed from Lord Aldron (b.107) to Lord Roland Darry (b.107). An elder brother has been added: {Lord Jonothor Darry} (b. 101), Lord of Darry, killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 130), m. {Esmene Bracken} (b. 104, d. 143), Jonothor's son, {Alvyn Darry} (b. 118), killed with his father (d. 130), Jonothor's daughter, Rosamund Darry (b. 120), m. Ser Carter Vypren (b. 117), Jonothor's daughter, Septa Belarra (b. 126).
• SMALLWOOD: the lord of the house changed from Hugo Smallwood (b. 104) to Lord Joseth Smallwood}, (b. 104, d. 161), Lord of Acorn Hall, called Oakshanks, killed trying to rescue the Young Dragon.

The Vale:

• ARRYN: the lord has been changed from Lord Edgar Arryn (b. 127) to Lord Jonothor Arryn (b.127). Two new characters added: his son Ronnel Arryn (b. 162), and his late father {Lord Joffrey Arryn} (b. 100), once Knight of the Bloody Gate, a most unlikely heir (d. 151).
• CORBRAY: the lord has been changed from Lord Bestan Corbray(b. 120) to Lord Qarl Corbray (b.120). His father has been changed from {Lord Dermett} (b. 99), killed by a piece of falling masonry in his own castle (d. 145) to {Lord Leowyn Corbray} (b. 99), Lord Protector of the Realm, dead of the Winter Fever (d. 133). Two very impotant additons are the uncle {Ser Corwyn Corbray} (b. 100), a famous knight, wielder of the Valyrian steel sword Lady Forlorn, a regent of King Aegon III, killed at a parley outside Runestone (d. 135), and his second wife, an unnamed {princess of House Targaryen}

The Westerlands:

• LANNISTER: Lord Loren Lannister (b.112) has been changed to Lord Loreon Lannister (b. 123). His wife and children haven't changed, but the rest of his family have been completely revolutioned. The changes are too much to list here, but his father is now {Lord Jason Lannister} (b. 96), killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 129), twin to {Ser Tyland Lannister} (b. 96), Hand of the King, dead of the Winter Fever (d. 134). New sisters appear, one of them married to Lord Fossoway of Cider Hall and another married to Lord Edgarren Roxton of the Ring [and mother of a Ser Jon Roxton (b. 134), heir to the Ring]. Of note there's also the appearance of two bastard half sisters, Joy Hill (b. 120) and Jenna Hill (b. 122) that were "taken by the Ironborn during the Dance" and died on 136 and 134.
• CRAKEHALL: there was a knight killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 131) that was called {Ser Enrion} and now has his name changed to {Ser Clarent}. [btw, Ran, if you read this, the father's name hasn0t been changed in ths children's descripton.]
• FARMAN: five sisters have been added to lord Farman: Septa Edella (b. 109), stolen away by the Ironborn during the Dance, later recovered, {Meera Farman} (b. 111), stolen away by the Ironborn during the Dance, dead in childbed (d. 131), {Evelyn Farman} (b. 115), Avelyn's twin, stolen away by the Ironborn during the Dance, dead of neglect (d. 132), {Septa Avelyn} (b. 115), Evelyn's twin, stolen away by the Ironborn during the Dance, later recovered, dead of illness (d. 140), {Alysandra Farman} (b. 117), stole away by the Ironborn during the Dance, dead in childbed (d. 131).

The Reach:

• TYRELL: The Lord Tyrell that was killed by the Dornishmen has changed from Lord Garvys to Lord Lyonel. His father has been added as {Lord Loras Tyrell} (b. 109, d. 129).
• HIGHTOWER: Lord Lorent Hightower (b. 110), married to Sybell Reyne (b. 112),, has been changed to Lyonel Hightower (b. 114), Samantha Tarly (b. 112), called Sam, famously headstrong, once Lord Lyonel's step-mother, then his paramour for 13 years.
• BEESBURY: We had {Lord Bertram Beesbury} (b. 92), killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 130). Now we have {Lord Alan Beesbury} (b. 92), died in captivity during the Dance of the Dragons (d. 130).
• CRANE: the lord's late father has been added a {Lord Arkyn Crane} (b. 90), once master of laws in the reign of Viserys I, killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 131).

The Stormlands:

• BARATHEON: The lord hasn't change, but a lot of interesting additions. His father is reported as {Lord Davos Baratheon} (b. 95), allegedly poisoned with his wife (d. 146). Then, among his uncles are {Ser Steffon Baratheon} (b. 83), heir to Storm's End, murdered in a tavern brawl (d. 104), {Lord Borros Baratheon (b. 85), Lord of Storm's End, killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 131), m. {Lady Elenda Caron} (b. 90, d. 143). Lord Borros has four daughters (Cassandra, Maris, Floris and Ellyn) and a son (Olyver). Floris is married to {Lord Thaddeus Rowan} (b. 78), Lord of Goldengrove, once regent and Hand of the King (d. 135). Ellyn is married to Lord Benjicot Blackwood.
• CONNINGTON: A brother of the lord is added: {Ser Steffon Connington} (b. 110), as fierce as he was handsome, killed by Ser Wyland Wyl in the Dornish Marches (d. 133).

Dorne:

• MARTELL: Originally the heir of Dorne was Prince Marion (b. 150) and then his sister Mariah (b. 152). Now their birthdates have been swapped, making Mariah the heir until she was bethroted to Prince Daeron I Targaryen. The mother of the current prince has been changed from {Princess Malora Martell} (b. 112), Lady of Sunspear to {Princess Coryanne Martell} (b. 115), twin to Qyle, Lady of Sunspear. Siblings of her have been added: {Princess Aliandra Martell} (b. 113), Lady of Sunspear (d. 140), and {Prince Qyle Martell} (b. 115), twin to Coryanne (d. 137).
  

[Maia]

Hm, but in the genealogical tree of the Starks which was released as a sample from the World Book, Cregan's second wife was a Corbray and childless... Granted, Ran did say that the released tree was an early draft and subject to change.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

I've noticed (since I PMed you about that like a year ago and still frequently use what you've send me :P ) that the Martell siblings have changed. First, Maron was the eldest, born in 150AC and Mariah born in 152AC, and in the MUSH 2.0, it has been changed, making Mariah the eldest, born in 150AC (making her 19 years old when Baelor was born), and Maron born in 152AC.

I'm wondering whether the world book will make Maron some younger than this, as Maron most likely won't have married Daenerys until she had come of age (though perhaps they got married even later). With Daenerys born between 169AC and 176AC, she would have been off age in 185AC the earliest, and in 192AC the latest.

With Maron born in 152AC according to MUSH 2.0, Maron would have been in his thirties, most likely late thirties at the youngest at his marriage to Daenerys... Which begs the question.. Why didn't he have heirs yet, as the heir to/ruler of Sunspear? Was there a first marriage that yielded no children? I'm really curious to that, and I hope we find out in 2 months :)

[Hardstone]

Awesome write up THB. Thanks.

It does seem odd that the Targaryen Princess married a knight and not the Lord.

Were there any changes to the Mooton tree?

[RumHam]

• TULLY: Originally Riverrun was ruled by Lady Tinessa Tully (b.112), married to Patrek Vance (b. 114). Now it is run by Lord Kermit Tully (b. 112) married to Lady Tinessa Vance. The new lord's father is added as {Lord Elmo Tully} (b. 88), dead of illness (d. 131). And a dead inconsequential brother is changed to Ser Oscar Tully (b. 115), a famous knight, once leader of a sellsword company.

Please let this be canon.

[-Ghost-]

So is Rickon Stark the first Stark Knight that we have seen? Interesting that he was killed at Sunspear. Was he with Daeron when he conquered Dorne?

[Veltigar]

Oh, Samantha Tarly is also very funny XD

Please let this be canon.

Yeah, the Muppets references are pricelss

So is Rickon Stark the first Stark Knight that we have seen? Interesting that he was killed at Sunspear. Was he with Daeron when he conquered Dorne?

Wasn't there a sample released about his position in Daeron I campaign. I'm really looking forward to know more about Rickon. A Stark in Dorne, that would make a great novella or perhaps a starting point for a telltale game if the first proves to be succesful :D

[Mrs.Grumpy]

Lyonel Tyrell was the babe Tyrell lord in the Dance of the Dragons. So his dad was Loras Tyrell. Interesting. Is there anything else about the Tyrells, I'm on the phone and can't check atm.

Lol'ed at Samatha Tarly xd

So she first married with the daddy and then his son. It sounds weird.

[Arataniello]

Confirmation, of a sort, if any were needed, of Davos being a Baratheon name. A Davos Baratheon, son of Orys, was mentioned in the latest reading, and this just may be the same one. Also, Borros Baratheon dying during the Dance of Dragons may be new information (?) on the fate of that character from tPatQ.

[Arataniello]

Awesome write up THB. Thanks.

It does seem odd that the Targaryen Princess married a knight and not the Lord.

From the brief notes above, the knight was Lord Protector of the Realm a regent of Aegon III, so not just a knight. Around the time that Corwyn Corbray was active, the Targ family tree is pretty much complete, and therefore the only logical candidate for his wife is Rhaena of Pentos, daughter of Daemon Targaryen and Laena Velaryon.

She was thirteen at the time of the Dance (129-130 AC) and therefore would have been a very young second bride for Corwyn. The fact she was sent to the Vale, with three dragon eggs, during the Dance is another pointer to her being the Targ princess in question.

[Grievous]

Confirmation, of a sort, if any were needed, of Davos being a Baratheon name. A Davos Baratheon, son of Orys, was mentioned in the latest reading, and this just may be the same one. Also, Borros Baratheon dying during the Dance of Dragons may be new information (?) on the fate of that character from tPatQ.

Not the same Davos, though. No son of Orys could be born as late as 92 AC. But yeah, obviously a large part has been excised from tPaQ regarding fighting in the Stormlands.

[Arataniello]

Looking at the MUSH Kingsguard, is there any indication of the seventh member of the KG after the death of Daeron and the three KG in Dorne?

Looks like one of Daeron's KG died in 157 (Staunton), probably replaced by Galfrid Velaryon (based on birthdates, nothing else to go on). LC Caron and KGs Oakheart and Bentley died in Dorne. Aemon Targ and (I assume) Aleyn Florent survived from Daeron's KG.

Aemon then became LC, with Florent and Velaryon remaining from before Daeron's death. Kenric Darry, Jaesin Lannister and Sorin of Sevenstreams are named as "current" (*ie serving in Baelor's KG).

Who then is the seventh of Baelor's KG? Was Halbert Cordwayner "disgraced in Dorne and disappeared" somehow not replaced due to the fact he disappeared, rather than died?

[Arataniello]

Since I've received a coupe of PM from people asking for a list of the differences between the family trees from Blood of Dragons versions 1.0 and 2.0, I've thought that I'd made a new post with them.

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The Vale:

• CORBRAY: the lord has been changed from Lord Bestan Corbray(b. 120) to Lord Qarl Corbray (b.120). His father has been hanged from {Lord Dermett} (b. 99), killed by a piece of falling masonry in his own castle (d. 145) to {Lord Leowyn Corbray} (b. 99), Lord Protector of the Realm, dead of the Winter Fever (d. 133). Two very impotant additons are the uncle {Ser Corwyn Corbray} (b. 100), a famous knight, wielder of the Valyrian steel sword Lady Forlorn, a regent of King Aegon III, killed at a parley outside Runestone (d. 135), and his second wife, an unnamed {princess of House Targaryen}

I'm assuming that this should be "his father was CHANGED from.....".

[The hairy bear]

I'm wondering whether the world book will make Maron some younger than this, as Maron most likely won't have married Daenerys until she had come of age (though perhaps they got married even later). With Daenerys born between 169AC and 176AC, she would have been off age in 185AC the earliest, and in 192AC the latest.

With Maron born in 152AC according to MUSH 2.0, Maron would have been in his thirties, most likely late thirties at the youngest at his marriage to Daenerys... Which begs the question.. Why didn't he have heirs yet, as the heir to/ruler of Sunspear? Was there a first marriage that yielded no children? I'm really curious to that, and I hope we find out in 2 months :)

Interesting question. It is specially sruprising specially taking into account that Mariah was originally supposed to inherit Dorne. Even if part of the marriage agreement involved Mariah renouncing to her rights, while Maron remained unmarried the Iron Throne had a strong claim to Dorne.

Were there any changes to the Mooton tree?

Two additions that perhaps I should have mentioned, but we already know about them:

• {Lord Walys (b. 97), Lord of Maidenpool, killed in the Dance of the Dragons (d. 129),
• {Lord Manfryd} (b. 99), Lord of Maidenpool, once a regent to King Aegon III (d. 134),

Nothing else.

Also, Borros Baratheon dying during the Dance of Dragons may be new information (?) on the fate of that character from tPatQ.

This is one of the bits of info I believe to be canon. The fact that Borros was a second son makes sense (he was not supposed to inherit, and that would explain why he is illiterate and doesn't keep his father's allegiances). Also, we know that Rhaenyra and Syrax attacked the Stormlands at some point, and as co-participant in Luke's death Borros should have been the main target of the raid.

Looking at the MUSH Kingsguard, is there any indication of the seventh member of the KG after the death of Daeron and the three KG in Dorne?

Looks like one of Daeron's KG died in 157 (Staunton), probably replaced by Galfrid Velaryon (based on birthdates, nothing else to go on). LC Caron and KGs Oakheart and Bentley died in Dorne. Aemon Targ and (I assume) Aleyn Florent survived from Daeron's KG.

Aemon then became LC, with Florent and Velaryon remaining from before Daeron's death. Kenric Darry, Jaesin Lannister and Sorin of Sevenstreams are named as "current" (*ie serving in Baelor's KG).

Who then is the seventh of Baelor's KG? Was Halbert Cordwayner "disgraced in Dorne and disappeared" somehow not replaced due to the fact he disappeared, rather than died?

I think that the Kingsguard has essentialy made up by Ran and Linda, but for what it's worth, Ser Galfrid Velaryon and Ser Sorin of Sevenstreams entered the KG the same day on 163. The seventh current member hasn't been named, as far as I know.

I'm assuming that this should be "his father was CHANGED from.....".

Ops. :eek:

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Interesting question. It is specially sruprising specially taking into account that Mariah was originally supposed to inherit Dorne. Even if part of the marriage agreement involved Mariah renouncing to her rights, while Maron remained unmarried the Iron Throne had a strong claim to Dorne.

It would kind of mimc the original plans of Dorne.

Arianne, the heir, was supposed to marry the future King (Viserys), just as Mariah, the heir, married the future King (Daeron).

Quentyn, the second born, would then continue the line and rule Dorne, just as Maron, as the secondborn, continued the line.

[Lord Varys]

Yeah, that would be my guess as well. When Myriah - the name is spelled this way in the books, is this a mistake, has it been retconned? - was married to Prince Daeron, she gave up her claim to Dorne in favor of Prince Maron. Just as Arianne was expected to do after she was married to Viserys III.

[Hardstone]

So how many potential regents is that now?

Tyland Lannister (Green) *confirmed as Hand*
Corlys Velaryon (Black)
Jeyne Arryn (Black)
Torrhen Manderly (Black)
Corwyn Corbray (Black) *not canon yet*
Manfryd Mooton (Black/Green)
Thaddeus Rowan (Black)


(Other question: I know it is a MUSH question but what did Cordwayner do? I read the logs before and I can only remember him being mentioned once and it wasn't about his disgrace.)

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

Is there any idea how canon Lord Joffrey Arryn, (b. 100), once Knight of the Bloody Gate, a most unlikely heir (d. 151), is?

He seems to be too old to have been a child of Lady Jeyne, so is he a most unlikely heir because Jeyne died suddenly?

[Lord Varys]

I'd imagine that Lady Jeyne died childless, and various of her closer cousins may have died during the Dance, leading later to the rise of Lord Joffrey.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

In that scenario, it would kind of be almost certain that the line of Arryns who continued the line (so Joffrey, in this case) do not have Targaryen blood (through Daella)? Seeing as how "unlikely heir" suggests a rather distant cousin..?