Salafi Stannis Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Too many people on these threads are apologising for and finding excuses for Renly's shitty behaviour. He tried to usurp the throne from three children whom he believed to be Roberts. Now let me stop you right there, you might say "Yeah well Joffrey would have become Mad King II so it's alright", lets pretend for a second it's okay to depose someone who is (to the best of your knowledge) the rightful heir because they may or may not become s shitty ruler, what about Tommen and Myrcella? From what we know Tommen's a sweet little boy and Myrcella seems like she would be a very capapble ruler, what's his excuse for tryin to get rid of them? And even if he did know the truth about them, than Stannis is still the rightful king. Renly would have killed Stannis to get the throne, his older brother and rightful king, he would have killed him to become king, just because he thinks Stannis would be a kind of crappy ruler. How can you find that okay? And then people give Stannis shit for killing Renly even though Renly would have done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLionOfTheRock Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Olenna says it better than I could "He knew how to dress and he knew how to smile and he knew how to bathe, and somehow he got the notion that this made him fit to be king." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuem Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Ummmm okie good luck ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Considering the royal killed his brother the king and two Hands, I think Renly had ample cause to rebel. Besides rebelling was his third choice, after replacing Cersei and seizing Joff. His main aim was to neutralise the Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 “Yes,” piped a fangirl's voice, thin and high.It belonged to the half-grown poster with the funny avatar and the witty title. “They killed Ser Robar and Ser Cuy and King Renly,” she said. “He was our king! He was brave and good,and the Red Witch murdered him. If Ser Loras will avenge him, we should join Ser Loras.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Grumpy Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yeah...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yeah Renly's empty claim for the throne got him killed. He should have supported Stannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 You're exactly proving what everyone in the "Characters judged unjustly" thread were saying. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Considering the royal killed his brother the king and two Hands, I think Renly had ample cause to rebel. Besides rebelling was his third choice, after replacing Cersei and seizing Joff. His main aim was to neutralise the Lannisters. He didn't know Jon Arryn and Robert were killed by the Lannisters, and even if he did, that's still not cause for not supporting Tommen, who he believed was the rightful king, or Stannis, who is the rightful king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 He didn't know Jon Arryn and Robert were killed by the Lannisters, and even if he did, that's still not cause for not supporting Tommen, who he believed was the rightful king, or Stannis, who is the rightful king. Stannis declared after Renly. He had months of time to prepare and take Renly into his confidence but he chose to flee and hide on DS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Stannis declared after Renly. He had months of time to prepare and take Renly into his confidence but he chose to flee and hide on DS. Which still means that Renly was going to depose his nephew, kill his mother, and crown himslef king. Right of conquest is legitimate in Westeros, but only retroactively. At the time, he was still a traitor and a rebel to who he thought were his kin, and if he was going to kill his nephews' mother, what do you think he was going to do with the twincest trio, who should have a better claim than him "while they live"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Renly was legitimately threatened by the ever-growing power of the Lannisters. Robert made him the Lord of Storm's End but the next king (Joffrey) could have easily taken it back. That is why he sought the power of the Tyrells to end the Lannister regime. Renly was the Lord of Storm's End and he didnot owe any fealty to Stannis. He rebelled against Robert's "children" with the backing of Highgarden. Stannis would never get any support from them, was hiding on his rock and Renly had to act fast to save his own neck. He could have won the war had Stannis not slain him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 No one cared when Egg jumped a head of his elder brothers' children after his father died because of their fathers' nature.Nor did Robert, Jon, Ned, or Hoster care about skipping Viserys and Dany because their father was mad.So why cannot Renly skip Joffrey and his heirs because Joff and his mother are insane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yeah Renly's empty claim for the throne got him killed. He should have supported Stannis Why? ignoring killer queefs, how does siding with Stannis, another usurper that brings nothing, help him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 No one cared when Egg jumped a head of his elder brothers' children after his father died because of their fathers' nature.Nor did Robert, Jon, Ned, or Hoster care about skipping Viserys and Dany because their father was mad.So why cannot Renly skip Joffrey and his heirs because Joff and his mother are insane? The question is not why can't he do it, the question is: "Are some fan's understanding and acceptance of Renly's actions a bit much?" He has his reasons to do what he did. We can judge them and consider if we accept them or not. Is killing kids he thinks are his own blood to get the throne something we can shrug off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Stannis declared after Renly. He had months of time to prepare and take Renly into his confidence but he chose to flee and hi How is Stannis a usurper? Please explain I would love to hear your reasoning, how can you possibly back up that BS claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Bugger "rightful king" bollocks, conquering shit is how its done in Westeros - what Legal right did Robert have that put him above his cousins and nephews, what legal right did Aegon have to conquer the 7k?And to those saying all he had was his charisma and popularity? So what? Its popular kings who have peaceful reigns, look at King John of England, nobody gives a shit about your legal right to rule if you're unpopular. Kings like Stannis would alienate his lords and his embracing of the Red God would turn the people against him, especially given that they're devout enough to get the High Sparrow in charge and forming the Faith Militant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Is killing kids he thinks are his own blood to get the throne something we can shrug off? Fanfiction. Renly never claims he'd kill the "Baratheon", and considering his obsession with good PR, he'd most likely keep them around under a close watch to show the Realm how merciful he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 How is Stannis a usurper? Please explain I would love to hear your reasoning, how can you possibly back up that BS claim? Because he has exactly no evidence that the children aren't Robert's, as it stands to most of Westeros he's just a usurper who's come up with a convenient excuse that just so happens to remove everyone ahead of him from the line of succession. Like Blackfyre saying Daeron was the son of Aemon or in RL Warwick claiming Edward IV was the bastard son of an Archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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