the storm king returns Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 All us fans really know is the Casterlys were the richest and most powerful house of the Western Lands and probably Westeros but we're ''tricked" out of there keep ''Casterly Rock" by a man now known as Lann the clever who as we know was a Lannister. I have seen many theories on how this happened I'd like to hear more from the fans.My theory is that Lann the Clever was a bannerman and castelan of Casterly Rock, and was allowed the privalage of marrying one of Lord Casterlys daughters, unfortunately for Casterlys this was not enough for Lann so he waited untill Lord Casterly went to war with some other Lord or king and he annexed CR from the inside and murdered every loyal man left inside CR. Once this was done he had access to all the gold the Casterlys had in the Keep Safe which was I assume millions of dollars, then he bought other lords of the Western Lands promising them more lands and more gold. When Lord casterly arrived back to CR he was denied entry furious Lord Casterly began a siege of his own castle but was murdered Ceaser style by his own bannerman. Lann has numerous kids with the casterly daughter then had her murdered as well for security reasons and BOOM Lann says screw it instead of Lord of csdterly rock declares himself king of the Western Lands the greedy prick .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He won it in a game of poker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abisal Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I think the history of the westerlands in aWoIaF (http://www.historyofwesteros.com/concarolinas-westerlands-reading/) apparently says he was a foreigner, so while not impossible it seems unlikely he'd have ended up a castelan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbor Golden Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 My theory is that history in planatos is repeating itself. Obviously the war of dawn approaches. The great houses are all reasserting their historical roles. Tyrion=Lann the clever. We know that casterly rock was taken by Lann using just his wits. This is Tyrion. He was no martial prowess, no social standing he has only his wits. Dany indiscriminately conquering makes her a true targaryan. Bran getting in touch with his wild side and the children makes him a true northman(you could make the same claim with rickon). Tyrion armed only with his wits makes him a true lannister. Stannis' obstinence and belligerence (despite his personality) make him a true stormlander. The iron born are desperate to reclaim their historical identity. Arriane for drone equals nymeria. the Age of Heroes and westerosi history is extremely relevant to the soiaf. drunk post on saturday night after partying. hope it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 My theory is that Lann the Clever is a mythological figure who never existed for real. Or if he did, I'll assume that the Casterlys slighted or hurt in him some way and thus he paid his debts to them by taking their castle from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I Think the story is just a romanticised version of the truthLike tywin and tyrion trickery was prob involved but prob more like red wedding than some card game goe wrong etcItl have been a classic lannister combo of brains and utter ruthlessness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 As ever, the story will be a romanticised version of what actually happened. Lann probably killed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Red Wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Maybe the original his nickname before all the romanticizing and whitewashing was Lann the Cleaver because he butchered the Casterlys (either on the battlefield or some treachery and actual cleaver was involved, but I prefer the latter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 My theory is that history in planatos is repeating itself. Obviously the war of dawn approaches. The great houses are all reasserting their historical roles. Tyrion=Lann the clever. We know that casterly rock was taken by Lann using just his wits. This is Tyrion. He was no martial prowess, no social standing he has only his wits. Dany indiscriminately conquering makes her a true targaryan. Bran getting in touch with his wild side and the children makes him a true northman(you could make the same claim with rickon). Tyrion armed only with his wits makes him a true lannister. Stannis' obstinence and belligerence (despite his personality) make him a true stormlander. The iron born are desperate to reclaim their historical identity. Arriane for drone equals nymeria. the Age of Heroes and westerosi history is extremely relevant to the soiaf. drunk post on saturday night after partying. hope it makes sense :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the storm king returns Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 As ever, the story will be a romanticised version of what actually happened. Lann probably killed them.Lann def killed them at some point or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I see Lann as a bastard of the Casterly's and played a Varys type role to have the claimants kill eacother off. Probably married a female heir and founded his own house. I love the idea that the first lion of Lannister was actually just a manipulative little rat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLE Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Now here's an interesting theory:Bastards often tend to use the family sign with the colours reversed (this is one of several conventions that may denote it: alternative conventions include (2) having the sign reversed left-to-right, (3) having a sigil in black instead of the usual colour, or (4) having the family shield crossed out by a "bend sinister" diagonal stripe.)House Reyne's sigil is a red lion.House Lannister's sigil is a lion on a red background.For a long time I wondered if the Reynes were originally a bastard offshoot of the Lannisters - a bastard offshoot that later acquired a surname of their own, which may have been a nickname.But in what appears to be an extract from "A World of Ice and Fire", it suggests that the Reynes were a great, famous and noble house in the days of the Casterlys, while the Lannisters were nothing special.Which makes me wonder: Was it the other way round? Do the Lannisters, in fact, derive from a bastard offshoot of the Reynes?If so... do they take their name from Lannisport, rather than (as they claim) having given their name to it?Was "Lann the Clever" an alias, used by someone from an already-existing family Lannister of Lannisport whose surname came from the town?As to how he got hold of Casterly Rock - maybe he eloped with a Casterly daughter and got her pregnant, but was (unwisely) forgiven when he promised to marry her - probably with a promise that their children would keep the Casterly family name, but Lann reneging on that promise once his wife actually inherited the place, and then murdering off all the rest of the Casterlys so that nobody was left to complain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 He snuck in and locked the door while they popped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It seems he conned them out of it somehow using his wits, so perhaps in some kind of wager he knew he would win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I like the version where he hid in the Rock whispering things to the Casterlys and turning them against each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldWolf Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 My theory is that history in planatos is repeating itself. Obviously the war of dawn approaches. The great houses are all reasserting their historical roles. Tyrion=Lann the clever. We know that casterly rock was taken by Lann using just his wits. This is Tyrion. He was no martial prowess, no social standing he has only his wits. Dany indiscriminately conquering makes her a true targaryan. Bran getting in touch with his wild side and the children makes him a true northman(you could make the same claim with rickon). Tyrion armed only with his wits makes him a true lannister. Stannis' obstinence and belligerence (despite his personality) make him a true stormlander. The iron born are desperate to reclaim their historical identity. Arriane for drone equals nymeria. the Age of Heroes and westerosi history is extremely relevant to the soiaf. drunk post on saturday night after partying. hope it makes senseI started a thread a while back about history is repeating itself in ASIOAF, found so many examples of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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