Robb_Warged Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Has this been pondered before? Did a quick search and couldn't find a thread on it. A lot of Sansan shippers point to GRRM's interest in the Beauty and the Beast story (he wrote some episodes for an old Beauty and the Beast tv series right?) as being an influence to the unique relationship the Hound and Sansa have with one another. Well in the Beauty and the Beast, the beast overcomes (or Belle/true love breaks the curse?) his bad attitude/beastly form, and regains looks that he had lost to his curse. On the Quiet Isle we're told the Hound is dead and the wording coupled with the description of the grave digger has spawned this theory that the Hound is indeed dead but Sandor is alive. Keeping to the Beauty and The Beast parallels, what if Sandor's face has been healed to some extent, like the beast reverting back to his human form? It's been a while since I read AFFC but don't they do some pretty serious healing for wounded people on the quiet isle? Or is it more just listening to people confess sins? I can't remember which I remember that one guy telling Brienne that the scars that haunted and drove the Hound were healed/over and the Hound was dead. So if Sandor lives on, I wonder if it would be a stupid idea or a nice touch if there was some sort of outward manifestation of the healing he's felt Just a random thought i had thinking about Sandor on quiet Isle (assuming he is there and alive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarLord Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yes and Sandor is planning to participate in Mr.Westeros event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yes and Sandor is planning to participate in Mr.Westeros event. He's going to lose to werewolf Robb. Why don't we just write book 6 and let GRRM focus on book 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowford Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 When you say "healed", do you talk about the injuries he sustained immediately before his apparent death, or do you mean the burn-marks he had since childhood? The former might or might not happen (and I wouldn't consider it noteworthy either way), the latter would make no sense at all, from any possible angle (both narrative and logical). And why would, of all the possible influences, Martin take the absolutely worst part in the modern perception of the Beauty and the Beast story (I don't know how it's depicted in older sources), the thing that basically says "it's nice and all to love somebody who is not that attractive, but they damn well better be handsome before the curtain falls or it's not a happy end". That aside from the fact that I don't think we are going to see ANY kind of romantic interaction between the two. I am not even sure if they will ever meet again at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 His leg may heal up, but the scars are likely there forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 When you say "healed", do you talk about the injuries he sustained immediately before his apparent death, or do you mean the burn-marks he had since childhood? The former might or might not happen (and I wouldn't consider it noteworthy either way), the latter would make no sense at all, from any possible angle (both narrative and logical). And why would, of all the possible influences, Martin take the absolutely worst part in the modern perception of the Beauty and the Beast story (I don't know how it's depicted in older sources), the thing that basically says "it's nice and all to love somebody who is not that attractive, but they damn well better be handsome before the curtain falls or it's not a happy end". That aside from the fact that I don't think we are going to see ANY kind of romantic interaction between the two. I am not even sure if they will ever meet again at all. I'm speaking of the burns on his face not the wounds he received (though I'd imagine they'd be taken care of as well) before Arya left him. I need to go back and re-read exactly what it was the priest on Quiet Isle told Brienne. From how I remember it, it seemed like his message to Brienne was that the Hound's tormented life was over with, and the Hound moved on from the pain and anger that drove his life. He was cleansed and healed on the inside I'm not trying to say a handsome face = a good person or turn this into a superficial thing. I just thought in the Beauty and the Beast fairy tale, beyond the Disney adaptation, Beast does return back to his human looks once his spell was broken. And if Sandor is sort of a Beast inspired character, I wonder if outwardly he's seen a bit of a transformation equatable to the healing he experienced on the inside. A re-birth. ASOIAF features magic, dragons, people able to jump into the bodies of others, ice zombies, the dead coming back to life, I don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility if this were to happen. I'm not saying it should, or that Sandor is alive, but if Sandor is modeled after the Beast or partly takes some inspiration from the character, since his insides sound like they've healed I wonder if his outside has as well. It was just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It's his demeanor and not the burned face that generates the beast vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 While this is a fantasy series, seems like unnecessary to happen and a bad fairy tale trope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'm speaking of the burns on his face not the wounds he received (though I'd imagine they'd be taken care of) before Arya left him. I need to go back and re-read exactly what it was the priest on Quiet Isle told Brienne. From how I remember it, it seemed like his message to Brienne was that the Hound's tormented life was over with, and the Hound moved on from the pain and anger that drove his life. He was cleansed and healed on the inside I'm not trying to say a handsome face = a good person or turn this into a superficial thing. I just thought in the Beauty and the Beast fairy tale, beyond the Disney adaptation, Beast does return back to his human looks once his spell was cursed. And if Sandor is sort of a Beast-inspired character, I wonder if outwardly he's seen a bit of a transformation equatable to the healing he experienced on the inside. ASOIF features magic, dragons, dead coming back to life, I don't think it would be beyond the realm of things seen if this were to happen. I'm not saying it should, or that Sandor is alive, but if Sandor is modeled after the Beast or partly takes some inspiration from, since his insides sound like they've healed I wonder if his outside has as well. It was just a thought. Way back in AGOT there was a remark that people could see the open skull of Sandor on his burned side. More to the point, the elder brother that you refer too wasn't able to do magical plastic surgery on the mutilated victims while he was at Saltpans. So no I don't think that the physical flesh of Sandor is going to be easier to look upon in the near future. Moving on.... We don't know the extent of the "healing" that Sandor received, but I have doubts that he is actually going to leave his past entirely behind or that he would remain there. We may have seen some foreshadowing in the Stallion/courser Stranger when the monks tried to castrate him to "improve" his demeanor and failed. Just like Stranger, Sandor has been trained for war and that is not likely to leave him completely, but he will probably carry himself better after leaving the Quiet Ilse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogLover Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 One of GRRM's favorite movies is La Belle et la Bete by Jean Cocteau. When Beast transforms into a cheesy, saccharine prince, not only is the audience displeased by the transformation, so is Belle. Everyone preferred Beast. Sandor's leg wound may heal, but his face will not. And it doesn't need to. Sansa has moved on from the beautiful prince and has developed strong feelings for Sandor, scars and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 One of GRRM's favorite movies is La Belle et la Bete by Jean Cocteau. When Beast transforms into a cheesy, saccharine prince, not only is the audience displeased by the transformation, so is Belle. Everyone preferred Beast. Sandor's leg wound may heal, but his face will not. And it doesn't need to. Sansa has moved on from the beautiful prince and has developed strong feelings for Sandor, scars and all. I knew GRRM had a connection to Beauty and the Beast beyond writing for a TV series based on it. Thanks for that elaboration and highlighting an important part to that movie I want to clarify I brought up Beauty and the Beast's parallels to Sansa and the Hound to highlight how the Hound may be a bit inspired by the beast to segue into the point of my original post. My thoughts about The Hound seeing an outward change like the beast weren't sparked by thoughts of giving Sansa a more handsome face to be interested in, however. I just want to clarify that before this thread gets de-railed into a conversation about Sansa having matured beyond seeking a galant knight sort of guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 This not the kind of series in which facial scars heal. This is the kind of series in which more and more people keep losing ears, noses, cheeks, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Very possibly, possibly it all ready has, the Seven will have its miracles as have the other religions. Sandor becomes the beauty outside and in, Sansa the beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 This not the kind of series in which facial scars heal. This is the kind of series in which more and more people keep losing ears, noses, cheeks, etc This. It would also be awful if he becomes beautiful on the outside. Not that I don't love the superficial message in BATB, but for Sandor, it's more about quelling his inner anger that will matter if he's to "heal" in any way.As for if it's possible, this is the universe where dragons hatch and the dead walk. But I still think it's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I agree with what many have said already, which is that it would be kind of cheesy if Sandor's facial scars got healed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dya of Oldstones Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The only thing I would want to see change about the physical appearance is the bone sticking out of the jaw, but more because it would be constantly infected in the real world. Otherwise, let him keep his scars, and develop his inner beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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