Equilibrium Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 They are considered kings of their ships, so do they count, Mance is not anointed but he seems to count. How much magical power could you gain by sacrificing all of them? Have Euron ever thought of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 You'd gain nothing. The notion that becoming "king" magically turns your blood, well, extra magic, is silly. King's blood doesn't have any extra magical properties nor give the user more power. Else wise Melisandre would just be leeching Stannis one in a while and using that blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 I am not saying this to defend my thesis, but why are everybody doubt power of king's blood, with dragons, living dead, CotF, Others, killer shadows and all I think we should be at least open for a possibility that being a king makes your blood more magically potent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Because magical beings is different from an arbitrary title turning your blood magical. Blood is magical without such titles, some more so than others (First Men and Valyrian blood for example). I just don't think kingship has any impact in any way on ones blood. It's like you say; Ironborn are kings on their own ships, Mance calls himself king but is he really? Stannis was never annointed by the High Septon, did his blood suddenly get magical when Robert died? Was his blood already magic and as such kingship has nothing to do with it? What about Renly, he definitely by all laws was not a king, but crowned himself anyway. Did his blood turn magic the moment the crown touched his head? What about effective kings like Khal's or Grand Magisters? Are they magic? What if they don't get elected next term or killed by a random Dothraki? Surely you can see why random titles can't impact your blood's magical properties? It doesn't make sense. Blood magic is real, king's blood magic is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 I was just wandering, I never claimed that as soon as someone utters the word king in your general presence your blood gets a level up but I am still open for the possibility ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Because magical beings is different from an arbitrary title turning your blood magical. Blood is magical without such titles, some more so than others (First Men and Valyrian blood for example). I just don't think kingship has any impact in any way on ones blood. It's like you say; Ironborn are kings on their own ships, Mance calls himself king but is he really? Stannis was never annointed by the High Septon, did his blood suddenly get magical when Robert died? Was his blood already magic and as such kingship has nothing to do with it? What about Renly, he definitely by all laws was not a king, but crowned himself anyway. Did his blood turn magic the moment the crown touched his head? What about effective kings like Khal's or Grand Magisters? Are they magic? What if they don't get elected next term or killed by a random Dothraki? Surely you can see why random titles can't impact your blood's magical properties? It doesn't make sense. Blood magic is real, king's blood magic is not. I have to agree, the power of king's blood is a in-world misconception. There is no reason for arbitrary titles to confer magical qualities on the blood of the title holder. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 If we go by "Kings Blood" it could be those with connections to the old legends from the mislabeled Age of Heroes. Moqorro probably has the only captain with Kings Blood and is likely to sacrifice him judging by Victarion's strange actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anduin Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I have to agree, the power of king's blood is a in-world misconception. There is no reason for arbitrary titles to confer magical qualities on the blood of the title holder. :) maybe it has something to do with the fact that kings usually have alot of possession and hold (one of) the highest position in society, and magic is largely connected to sacrifice. Ofc the problem with this, is the power in Edric Storms blood, to use a concrete example. however, if blood is magical in nature, then perhaps the enhanced potential of roberts blood is passed on genetically to Edric. Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 maybe it has something to do with the fact that kings usually have alot of possession and hold (one of) the highest position in society, and magic is largely connected to sacrifice. Ofc the problem with this, is the power in Edric Storms blood, to use a concrete example. however, if blood is magical in nature, then perhaps the enhanced potential of roberts blood is passed on genetically to Edric. Just a thought... The Edric Storm blood is a whole other can of worms and if you believe Edric's blood had any magical power or affected the deaths of Balon, Robb and Joffrey in any way (especially after reading Melisandre's PoV) that's your prerogative. It's wrong, but you're allowed to believe it. The mere fact that Mel can't just leech Stannis and kill off whoever she pleases is a massive red flag as to the effect Edric's blood really had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The 'blood magic' with the leeches didn't actually kill Robb, Balon, or Joffery. Melisandre saw their deaths and put on an act to 'show her power'. the blood in the leeches was of no consequence, just props. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The 'blood magic' with the leeches didn't actually kill Robb, Balon, or Joffery. Melisandre saw their deaths and put on an act to 'show her power'. the blood in the leeches was of no consequence, just props. :) :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay21 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I doubt the truth of the whole 'king's blood' thing. More likely the strength of the particular spell is affected by the belief of those participating. That they believe kings' blood causes stronger magic is what does the trick. The reason that I believe this is that we have seen the word king bandied about quite a bit in these books and we've seen quite a sundry collection of gods to compliment them. In the end though, who defines a king? Mel is prepared to call not only Baratheon and Targaryan king but even an upjumped wildling if it justifies her getting her flames on his kin (and no, I don't believe that Mel has read the Mance Rhaegar posts). Only Stannis is R'hllor's king, but these pretenders' blood is somehow enriched? Killing a descendent of a rival makes good political sense, so its easy to sell to a King already on the defensive and smallfolk seem happy with karmic circles and people getting their just deserves so a burnt pretender is easy to sell to them as well. So I guess what I'm saying is that it's just low hanging fruit and telling people that there's power in it is part of reaching out and taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay21 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The 'blood magic' with the leeches didn't actually kill Robb, Balon, or Joffery. Melisandre saw their deaths and put on an act to 'show her power'. the blood in the leeches was of no consequence, just props. :) :agree:Very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Killing the king for a failed harvest is likely what happened to most of the NW European Bronze Age bog bodies, but this is much different from Westeros! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Not just for failed harvest, kings where killed after certain period of time as a sacrifice, and change and turmoil in passing from matriarchal to patriarchal society is what served as an inspiration for most of the Greek mythology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay21 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I am not saying this to defend my thesis, but why are everybody doubt power of king's blood, with dragons, living dead, CotF, Others, killer shadows and all I think we should be at least open for a possibility that being a king makes your blood more magically potent.If the king was king by Devine or some other supernatural assent then I could accept kings blood. If there was a common coronation ritual that could later be shown to actually be magic that empowered the king then that would work, but as it is we have nothing but Mel's word that kings blood is any different from anyone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxian Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I would think that, if being a king really does make your blood magical, its potency would depend on how many people follow that king. Mance, Stannis, Targs, and even the Starks number in the thousands. Meanwhile ship captains would only be their crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anduin Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Edric Storm blood is a whole other can of worms and if you believe Edric's blood had any magical power or affected the deaths of Balon, Robb and Joffrey in any way (especially after reading Melisandre's PoV) that's your prerogative. It's wrong, but you're allowed to believe it. The mere fact that Mel can't just leech Stannis and kill off whoever she pleases is a massive red flag as to the effect Edric's blood really had.as long as you cannot know for sure, (I.E, it being stated in the books) you cant say for certain that the leech speel had no effect. The fact is that we know very little about the rules and properties of magic. Alot of people believe the Starks practiced blood magic, whether it was kings blood or "normal" blood we can atleast assume that blood has magical potential. this opens up for the posibillity that royal blood has more potential by vitue of being royal. Just in the same way that the normal people's blood could have more or less potential. you could look at the different warging powers of the Stark kids (and other wargs for that matter) just as an example of how different people have different levels of the same magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I can say for certain. I'll say it again. 100% those leeches did nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 First, Melisandre's leeches were just a mummer's trick. That said, the chick cannot be wrong about everything (can she?), and I think there is mystical power in king's blood. Or khal's. Or even captain's. But the smaller the kingdom, the less power you gather by butchering its king. Hence, if killing a son of universally recognized king of the Seven Kingdoms will possibly wake a stone dragon, a captain of a single longship would mayhaps be good enough to bring back a comatose crocodile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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