Sword of the Morgan Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I've seen a lot of people predicting that Sansa will be the one to rebuild Winterfell and House Stark. I'll admit that this would be a cool story line for the girl who wanted to leave her home so badly, but something does not make sense to me. If Sansa does return to Winterfell, marries and has children, that would not continue the Stark line, as she would not be a Stark (she's still technically a Lannister for now, I guess). So how does this really help matters? Sure, Winterfell would belong to a man that wed a former Stark, but that would pretty much be the end of it. No more "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell." So I just don't see the whole movement for Sansa winning back Winterfell somehow being some great resolution for the Starks. Now, I'm not saying it won't happen, because this could be more of the bittersweet thing that GRRM likes, but I don't get why people think that Sansa getting Winterfell is some big win for the Starks in the long run, because she won't be a Stark (and technically isn't now). Maybe I'm missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just because shes a girl, doesn't mean she cant continue the line. same happenned with bael the bard and the winter rose. Also, that marriage was a sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just because shes a girl, doesn't mean she cant continue the line. same happenned with bael the bard and the winter rose. Also, that marriage was a sham. What do you mean? How can she continue the line? Sure, there will be Stark blood, but the Stark name will die, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just re-read the Bael the Bard page, and I see what you're saying. Still, I'm not sure this would work out that way. So you can just name someone Stark if they have Stark blood and you need a Stark? Seems kind of weak to me, and there is also no guarantee that whoever Sansa married would go for it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Her children would take the stark name, since the bigger house is stark. the same happenned with doran's mother, her husband was of a smaller background, so the martell line continued. It hapenned to the Starks also, with Bael the bard's son. Also, if Daenerys married, her children would still be targaryens, no? After all, Rhaego was considered one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Bran is the Lord of Wintefrell, and ruled there for at least half of his chapters.Winterfell and the Wall and possibly Storm's End was built by the Founder of House Stark, Bran the Builder.Winterfell now needs rebuilding. The Wall is going to fall and somebody will need to rebuild it. Storms End is under siege and somebody will need to rebuild it.Bran the Builder was clearly a king with magical gifts.Bran is the prince of winterfell, an unless Robb's will turns up and Jon survives the series, he's the heir. He is also magically gifted.Bran didn't like the idea of being a warg or geenseer at first, but both of things happened anyway.Bran didn't like the story of Bran the Builder, but look at what we have here. Sansa will be important, but not necessarily any more important than her other siblings (although maybe more so than Rickon cause he isn't a POV character) (I don't why northmen like the Mountain Clans, Skagosi, and Reeds and Umbers will care about that actually illegal sham marriage though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden Wolf Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just because shes a girl, doesn't mean she cant continue the line. same happenned with bael the bard and the winter rose. Also, that marriage was a sham. except that the Bael the Bard story could be, and most likely is, a fabrication crafted to make Bael seem more important the he actually was. I personally feel he may have raped her, impregnated her, and fled back beyond the wall before the King of Winter could feed him to a direwolf. But there is precedent for the children of a Lady of a noble house taking on the name of her father's house if said house has no heirs through the male line. it is why we have Harry the Heir in the Vale. His last name is not Arryn but if Sweet Robin was some how to shirk his mortal coil then he would become the Arryn of the Vale in order to keep that line and house going. Her children would take the stark name, since the bigger house is stark. the same happenned with doran's mother, her husband was of a smaller background, so the martell line continued. It hapenned to the Starks also, with Bael the bard's son. Also, if Daenerys married, her children would still be targaryens, no? After all, Rhaego was considered one. Actually in the Martell case since the eldest child is the heir no matter the sex of said child as that is they way of Dorne. The name of the Ruling house is Nymerios-Martell . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikajon Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 This implies that Tyrion must die, or was the possibility of divorce ever mentioned? Or maybe annulation of the wedding?I cannot recollect any of them though, so the line must continue via Tyron, unless he dies of course, which I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Clegane's head Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sansa rebuilding WF in the snow must mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 She was married under duress, and it was never consummated, and since then her husband has been convicted and sentenced to die for king and kinslaying. They'll find a way to annul it, I'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden Wolf Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sansa rebuilding WF in the snow must mean something. Maybe she was just Homesick. she has been through a lot since leaving Winterfell and playing in the snow reminds her of happier times. not everything has to be foreshadowing some future event. She was married under duress, and it was never consummated, and since then her husband has been convicted and sentenced to die for king and kinslaying. They'll find a way to annul it, I'm guessing. only problem is that she was married under the Faith of the Seven, is also wanted for the murder of Joffery, and would probably need some kin to press her claim for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Thanks for the info of the potential for a female to continue the Stark line. I was not aware of that. Obviously this doens't mean it will go down that way, but it makes it more plausible to me. I think even GRRM wants a Stark in Winterfell by the end of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseRowsdower Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Bran is the Lord of Wintefrell, and ruled there for at least half of his chapters. Winterfell and the Wall and possibly Storm's End was built by the Founder of House Stark, Bran the Builder. Winterfell now needs rebuilding. The Wall is going to fall and somebody will need to rebuild it. Storms End is under siege and somebody will need to rebuild it. Bran the Builder was clearly a king with magical gifts. Bran is the prince of winterfell, an unless Robb's will turns up and Jon survives the series, he's the heir. He is also magically gifted. Bran didn't like the idea of being a warg or geenseer at first, but both of things happened anyway. Bran didn't like the story of Bran the Builder, but look at what we have here. Sansa will be important, but not necessarily any more important than her other siblings (although maybe more so than Rickon cause he isn't a POV character) (I don't why northmen like the Mountain Clans, Skagosi, and Reeds and Umbers will care about that actually illegal sham marriage though) :agree: Although, it certainly seems to me that Bran won't physically be going anywhere anytime soon, that doesn't mean he can't direct/engineer the rebuilding process from afar. She was married under duress, and it was never consummated, and since then her husband has been convicted and sentenced to die for king and kinslaying. They'll find a way to annul it, I'm guessing. I think that her marriage to Tyrion will most definitely be annulled. Littlefinger will need to do this anyway if he wants Harry the Heir to be truly marrying Sansa instead of Alayne. I wouldn't be suprised at all if Sansa ended up being the Stark in Winterfell at the end, but I don't know if I'd go far enough to say that she will be the family's savior and rebuild Winterfell and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 only problem is that she was married under the Faith of the Seven, is also wanted for the murder of Joffery, and would probably need some kin to press her claim for her. She was implicated for the murder, but certainly never tried for it. IMO they'll find a way to annul it, whether through the HS or the Council of Faith (whatever the f**k that is), and she'd probably easily win a trial of the faith. It's not like she'd skip in wearing the necklace or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I hate to bring the show into this, but... Sansa: "I will never see it [Winterfell] again"Petyr: "A lot can happen between now and never" Based on this I think there is a good chance that Sansa will be returning to Winterell in the next two books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I don't see why Sansa would be the one to rebuild and rule Winterfell when Rickon is very clearly still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 ^And Bran. We know absolutely nothing about Rickon though, other than that he is a bit of a feral child (wolf's blood?). I'd like it if "rebuilding" WF was more of a joint effort with the surviving Starks, but that seems a bit quixotic given the high death count in these books. However, Sansa's marriage to Tyrion is not going to be the limiting factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden Wolf Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 She was implicated for the murder, but certainly never tried for it. IMO they'll find a way to annul it, whether through the HS or the Council of Faith (whatever the f**k that is), and she'd probably easily win a trial of the faith. It's not like she'd skip in wearing the necklace or anything. true there is always hope and as Sansa is a good noble heart the HS may take pity on her and give her the anullment. but when it comes to the crime of regicide that is the Iron Throne's domain and whomever sits on it would have to be the one to forgive or absolve her not the HS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sansa rebuilding WF in the snow must mean something. Never even thought of this in that way and I myself lean towards Sansa leading a Stark return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dya of Oldstones Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I don't think she's necessarily the Stark in Winterfell at the end of the series, since I think it's going to be a team effort from all the remaining Starks. She will play an important part in rebuilding her home as a member of Team Stark. She's learning some important political realities in the Vale now which will come in handy later, but even in the Vale I see her more as helping Team Royce than in masterminding LF's downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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