Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 IMO, Dany leaving Slaver's Bay is irresponsible and callous, and will lead to a thousand other Astapors or Eroehs. An honorable person would give up her claim to a throne she has dubious rights to and a country she has never seen before, and stay in Meereen, ruling as Queen of Slaver's Bay and trying to make an alternative economic system in Slaver's Bay.Dany still has things to do in Meereen. She needs to plant olive trees and watch them grow and bear fruit. She needs to integrate the freedmen with the former free citizens of Meereen. She needs to take care of the Yunkai'i problem and do something about Astapor. Meereen needs Dany.And Meereen was what Dany chose. She chose Meereen at the end of ASOS, she chose Meereen when XXD offered her ships, and she chose Meereen when she wed Hizdahr, not Quentyn. And now...she's just going to leave Meereen. Being queen of Westeros was forced upon Dany, but being queen of Meereen was what Dany chose to do. Why should Dany be a queen of a place far far away, a place she knows nothing about and was only forced upon her by her crazy brother, and not the queen of a place she chose to rule?I can only say that I find Dany's last ADWD chapter incredibly sad. She gave up at ruling. She basically said, "Fuck, I'm not gonna do this ruling shit any more." And that is what I find tragic. Meereen could have had a good ruler, and Dany could have been a good ruler, but she threw it all away, for "fire and blood". Did you forget the fire and blood in Astapor, Dany? Or in Mirri's village? That's what will happen if you leave. "Dragons plant no trees." You said. Well, they should. And I sincerely hope you will return to Slaver's Bay one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 And I certainly won't like Dany more once she embraces "fire and blood". IMOADWD Dany > TWOW Dany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nastydream Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 ADWD Dany > TWOW Dany Have you read TWOW :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Have you read TWOW :eek:No but according to GRRM she will embrace the Targaryen words.ETA: And she will come home, thus proving that Dany utterly failed at planning out her own future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Wedding Cake Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'm a Daenerys fan, and as much as I'd like to believe she could be a good ruler and that she was doing her best in Mereen and Astapor and being a queen for the people, I have to accept GRRM didn't write it that way. It isn't an accident that the people are sick and dying or rebelling, it was written that way. And Daenerys doesn't have a strong Targaryen identity for nothing with her fiery temper, blood and fire, and dragons plant no trees. Overall I think it makes for a better story for Daenerys to abandon Essos if that is indeed what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'm a Daenerys fan, and as much as I'd like to believe she could be a good ruler and that she was doing her best in Mereen and Astapor and being a queen for the people, I have to accept GRRM didn't write it that way. It isn't an accident that the people are sick and dying or rebelling, it was written that way. And Daenerys doesn't have a strong Targaryen identity for nothing with her fiery temper, blood and fire, and dragons plant no trees. Overall I think it makes for a better story for Daenerys to abandon Essos if that is indeed what happens.I know Dany has a Dragonish personality, but she at least tried to suppress it in ADWD, and she made efforts to be a good queen in ADWD. Now, all she'll do seems to be creating hundreds of Astapors.And I pity Westeros. And Volantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 And except for some lapses like torturing the wineseller's daughters, she was doing her best. It's just that 'her best' isn't very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can only say that I find Dany's last ADWD chapter incredibly sad. She gave up at ruling. She basically said, "Fuck, I'm not gonna do this ruling shit any more." And that is what I find tragic. Meereen could have had a good ruler, and Dany could have been a good ruler, but she threw it all away, for "fire and blood". Did you forget the fire and blood in Astapor, Dany? Or in Mirri's village? That's what will happen if you leave. "Dragons plant no trees." You said. Well, they should. And I sincerely hope you will return to Slaver's Bay one day. You're putting a lot of weight in a few thoughts running through her head when she was sick, hungry and exhausted. She hasn't abandoned ruling yet. I almost agree that Dany shouldn't leave Slaver's Bay. Except she has important business in Westeros, too. She can't be two places in once, but if she can manage to settle Slaver's Bay's immediate problems and then leave it with good leadership and sufficient force to keep the order, she can leave for Westeros in good consciounce. So I would say I agree that Dany shouldn't leave SB now. But ultimately, there's nothing wrong with delegating, so long as you delegate well. It's a key aspect of leadership. As to whether Dany will do it well in SB, well, we'll just see about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 You're putting a lot of weight in a few thoughts running through her head when she was sick, hungry and exhausted. She hasn't abandoned ruling yet. Have a look at this.http://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/10/05/untangling-the-meereenese-knot-part-iv-a-darker-daenerys/ I almost agree that Dany shouldn't leave Slaver's Bay. Except she has important business in Westeros, too. She can't be two places in once, but if she can manage to settle Slaver's Bay's immediate problems and then leave it with good leadership and sufficient force to keep the order, she can leave for Westeros in good consciouncience. She has no important business in Westeros. Taking a throne that she has a very dubious claim to in order to rule a kingdom she knows nothing about isn't as important as saving thousands of Meereenese.So I would say I agree that Dany shouldn't leave SB now. But ultimately, there's nothing wrong with delegating, so long as you delegate well. It's a key aspect of leadership. As to whether Dany will do it well in SB, well, we'll just see about that.Dany has been incredibly naïve so far when choosing delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I personally can't wait for Dany to go all Fire and Blood all over Westeros. I can see the argument for her having a responsibility by Meereen now that she's taken up a position of leadership there, but as so many people like to point out when shitting on Dany for staying in Meereen, dismantling the slave trade has more to do with a profound cultural shift in the cultures of Slaver's Bay than anything from the top down that she has done so far. The most she can do before that cultural shift happens is change the institutions in that city to ones that are against slavery and hold tight and wait for the culture to catch up with the ethic of the institutions, and that is something she can as easily do through a delegation while she is in Westeros than she could if she was to stay in Meereen herself. Her experience with instating leadership in Astapor will have prepared her to more carefully design her delegation in Meereen before she leaves. Besides, Meereen was never intended to be the end-all-be-all in Dany's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Oh god no, Aegon needs to reclaim his ancestor's title, Dragonsbane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can see the argument for her having a responsibility by Meereen now that she's taken up a position of leadership there, but as so many people like to point out when shitting on Dany for staying in Meereen, dismantling the slave trade has more to do with a profound cultural shift in the cultures of Slaver's Bay than anything from the top down that she has done so far. The most she can do before that cultural shift happens is change the institutions in that city to ones that are against slavery and hold tight and wait for the culture to catch up with the ethic of the institutions, and that is something she can as easily do through a delegation while she is in Westeros than she could if she was to stay in Meereen herself. Her experience with instating leadership in Astapor will have prepared her to more carefully design her delegation in Meereen before she leaves.1. Exactly. To destroy slavery in SB, she had to stay in Meereen and slowly bring about the change of Ghiscari culture for the next 50 years or so. Why is she not doing this? I thought she decided to 'be a queen' at the end of ASOS?2. Dany is still very very very very very naïve. She'll probably make Galazza Galare a delegate at Meereen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Oh god no, Aegon needs to reclaim his ancestor's title, Dragonsbane. Aegon is a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Aegon is a dragon. Aegon is a man, as papa Illirio stated, but real dragons are about, and seriously, what would have been the point of giving his ancestor, the last winner of the Dance, such a title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Aegon is a man, as papa Illirio stated, but real dragons are about, and seriously, what would have been the point of giving his ancestor, the last winner of the Dance, such a title? .....and this has what to do with the topic in hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 .....and this has what to do with the topic in hand? As i really want Dany to come to Westeros, she s just eating pages in Essos. THe longer she stays there, the more anger i get by her actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 As i really want Dany to come to Westeros, she s just eating pages in Essos. THe longer she stays there, the more anger i get by her actions. She would have gotten better....if not for her insane decision at the end of ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornish Vinegar Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 1. Exactly. To destroy slavery in SB, she had to stay in Meereen and slowly bring about the change of Ghiscari culture for the next 50 years or so. Why is she not doing this? I thought she decided to 'be a queen' at the end of ASOS?2. Dany is still very very very very very naïve. She'll probably make Galazza Galare a delegate at Meereen.1. She's got every right to change her mind, especially when, as I said, she doesn't need to be present to wait 50+ years for that cultural shift to occur. What tangible difference would her presence make that a well-made delegation couldn't? 2. The status of Dany's naiveté is up to the interpretation of the individual reader, so I'm not gonna get into a debate about that or who she's gonna appoint when she leaves, especially before we see who doesn't survive the Battle of Meereen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 1. She's got every right to change her mind, especially when, as I said, she doesn't need to be present to wait 50+ years for that cultural shift to occur. What tangible difference would her presence make that a well-made delegation couldn't? Dany's presence weakens the SotH, and as we saw in Astapor, not having the actual ruler makes a lot of tangible difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 And except for some lapses like torturing the wineseller's daughters, she was doing her best. It's just that 'her best' isn't very good. Dany wasn't doing her best in ADWD, I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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