Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 We're at 421 in the prior thread.Continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The big day. Minsk meeting underway, but shelling continues around Mariupol.Long read, but worth it -- reminder that this is a local, personal conflict as much as a grand clash of alliances and ideologies. Even if it ends today, the wounds inflicted by this little war will be long in healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Lifenews (v close to FSB) saying ceasefire deal has been signed, effective 6PM local - 2hrs from now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Thursday Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The big day. Minsk meeting underway, but shelling continues around Mariupol.Long read, but worth it -- reminder that this is a local, personal conflict as much as a grand clash of alliances and ideologies. Even if it ends today, the wounds inflicted by this little war will be long in healing. That was a brilliant piece, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing. ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 That was a brilliant piece, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing. ST Cheers. While we're waiting for the 14-point ceasefire deal, here's some Mariupol locals chilling on the beach, watching the shells fly in. EDIT: Poroshenko confirming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Is this like the WWI cease fire where they kept shooting up to the minute the deal came into effect? Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Is this like the WWI cease fire where they kept shooting up to the minute the deal came into effect? Lovely. Yep, all sorts of shooting going on, apparently for another hour and fifteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 That article said the truce would start at 15.00 GMT so surely it's already in effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Thursday Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 That article said the truce would start at 15.00 GMT so surely it's already in effect? GMT, not BST ;). ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman of the North Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 That article said the truce would start at 15.00 GMT so surely it's already in effect? Half an hour ago, but yours was the first post since the truce were supposed to have started. ETA: Hm, I thought they said 16:00 on the radio, but now they say 17:00 CET, so twenty minutes from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 GMT, not BST ;). Oh of course... :leaving: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I doubt this will go down well with the fascist militia who now make up the bulk of the effective fighting force in the Ukrainian 'army'. Coup mark 2 is a distinct possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 daskool,Don't worry. Putin the infinite and all justified will save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 daskool,Don't worry. Putin the infinite and all justified will save us.The Ukrainians have been made to eat the ceasefire, Merkel & Hollande are already intimating about easing the sanctions. If two of the largest NATO nations can't even live with piss weak economic sanctions against Russia to defend the sovereignty of Ukraine what chance of them going to war? Reason number 87 why Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO. So instead of making a big deal about something that's never going to happen why not throw Putin a bone and get this shit over with already? That way Russia and the west can focus on the real enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doireidh Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Cheers. While we're waiting for the 14-point ceasefire deal, here's some Mariupol locals chilling on the beach, watching the shells fly in. EDIT: Poroshenko confirming God, finally! I really hope that this ceasefire will last... Just a small correction: it's a 12-point plan, not a 14-point one. I guess that the exact peace plan will be published a bit later this evening or tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weirwood Druid Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Why this ceasefire will not happen or will quickly go out of the window; -the situation for Putin is bad; he doesn't control the whole region of the Donbas and there is no corridor to Crimea and even then the Donbas is worthless. he needs more. -there are several militias active both on the government side and the Russian side who don't really follow orders of higher up. -Putin will let it fly out of control again to shrug at it and claim "we don't have any control, this is not our conflict" -in its current state the "rebels" have no real control. -Ukraine will just use this time to build up their army and reconsider their tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Daskool,Yes, indeed we should throw Putin another bone and reward his agression by not speaking ill of so great a man as he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I don't think Putin actually wants the east. It's questionable how much support the rebels have, and does he really want a wartorn area to join Russia? His goal is more to prove to the Ukrainian government they can't hope to win against him, and that the West doesn't care enough to come rescue them. Thus getting the deal he wanted in the first place. The only question is if Ukraine is cowed or if he's pushed them too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I doubt this will go down well with the fascist militia who now make up the bulk of the effective fighting force in the Ukrainian 'army'.You seriously just make this shit up as you go don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Daskool,Yes, indeed we should throw Putin another bone and reward his agression by not speaking ill of so great a man as he.You sound almost disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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