Nas! Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Also: it is considerably better in my opinion than is any Sci-Fi film made since. In fact, it might be, as a film genre, the most utterly disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas! Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 And don't get me started about AI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If you don't think that 2001 had a massive influence on the genre then you are just plainly wrong.I obviously can't say that a tradition of Sci-Fi in film wouldn't exist without the influence of 2001, but certainly all the films on this list were made possible by its existence. First and foremost, I have nothing but love in my heart for all of you guys as well, but I have, and always will think that Kubrik is one of the most over rated directors of all time. 2001 the movie did things well, but wasn't even close to being as good as the Arthur C Clark book (that was being written at the same time by the way.) Although it is hailed as one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time, It paled in comparison to the source material. I also personally found long stretches of the movie that were dull and overtly pompous. I will say however that the acting choice that he used for HAL was brilliant. That voice was completely outside the box and it was perfect. I also to this day do not understand all of the hatred for Prometheus. That movie was not as good as Scott's other sci-fi offerings, but it was still extremely enjoyable. I think that the opening sequence of that movie alone was one of the best things I have ever seen on film that had anything to do with science fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Everything Nasrudin said is in line with my beliefs. I worry about the rest of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_ Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Why is George Lucas even on this list? I havn't seen THX 1138 but one really good sci-fi movie (SW) and 3 soul-crushing terrible ones (the prequels) don't equate you to be a good sci-fi director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas! Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I would sincerely argue that Stanley Kubrick's influence on film is, in actuality, underrated. Try to find me a film before The Killing that removed walls from sets in order to get certain tight shots, or tracking shots like the ones in the trenches in Paths of Glory. Like with 2001, Kubrick's brilliant contributions to film are taken for granted, and obscured by the endless copycats who have come since. This is natural, and expected. But give the guy his due. He was a genius. A strange and unpleasant man, by most accounts, but he was a brilliant and highly influential filmmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If 2001 was so influential, you would expect Hollywood to mine the hell out of that. But they haven't - the only one they did do was 2010, which is another anti-Kubrick feather since it looks and feels absolutely unlike 2001! And nothing else has been done.Because sci fi moved entirely on from 2001. I'd say Alien owes a huge debt to 2001. The stark environment. The near soundless space/planetside scenes. The malevelont computer/android. If you're going to point to T2 as the birth of CGI (and I agree, it most likely is) then I think you'd have to give 2001 the nod for lighting, atmosphere and special effects that were imitated by countless sci-fi movies that followed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas! Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 This gets away from the thrust of the thread, but part of my love for Kubrick comes from how different his oeuvre was. He was all over the place, genre-wise, and he was nearly always excellent.He became so engrossed in the vast context of his films, and also their smallest details, and made them (mostly) over such long periods of time, it is understandable that he would move from one idea to something quite different, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Why is George Lucas even on this list? I havn't seen THX 1138 but one really good sci-fi movie (SW) and 3 soul-crushing terrible ones (the prequels) don't equate you to be a good sci-fi director.When that one movie is Star Wars I think it's deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Also: it is considerably better in my opinion than is any Sci-Fi film made since. In fact, it might be, as a film genre, the most utterly disappointing. I could not agree more with literally everything you've said in this thread. Nasrudin wins /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 For the Monkey... One of the best sci-fi films ever? Star Wars and Bladerunner One of the best cold war films ever? The Manchurian Candidate One of the best philosophical films ever? Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind One of the best Vietnam war films ever? Apocalypse Now One of the best ancient Rome films ever? Ben-Hur One of the best weird-ass modern sexual films ever? Barbarella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 When that one movie is Star Wars I think it's deserved. Star Wars isn't even the best Star Wars film. So not really. As much as I fucking LOVE Blade Runner to DEATH and Alien; Ridley is waaaaay too over the place genre wise AND quality wise.[...]Might have to agree with Cameron here. He's arguably the most sci-fi of the lot and a force in helping steer the genre into where it is now. Cameron is also all over the place genre and quality-wise, though... I mean Avatar, pffffffft. I'm also disappointed that given some of the directors listed in the OP there's been no mention of Terry '12 Monkeys, Brazil' Gilliam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Haha, well, I wasn't saying that my SK examples were #1 in each case but that they were in the discussion. The actual answers are in red above. I knew what films you were talking about, but I had an overwhelming desire to be a smart ass... I hope you aren't offended. Out of all of the films you countered with, only Dr. Strangelove deserves to be mentioned among the finest in its category to me. Full Metal Jacket is one half of a brilliant film as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Star Wars isn't even the best Star Wars film. So not reallyI think Empire is better, but I have no problem with the OP including Lucas. Star Wars was a game changer.Although, I do admit he's a far better storyteller than director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_ Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think Empire is better, but I have no problem with the OP including Lucas. Star Wars was a game changer.Although, I do admit he's a far better storyteller than director.Is that sarcasm? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 re: Kubrick's Sci-Fi influence, off the top of my head: Under the Skin, Moon, Sunshine. ETA: Also, Futurama. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenAppleFossoway Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Lucas only because Star Wars is not only the greatest sci-fi movie (specifically the Empire Strikes Back) series imo, but it not only influenced sci-fi but basically all subsequent movies and how they are made. The writing for the prequels sucked, and Rick McCallum should have never been allowed to be part of the project, but that doesn't diminish the importance of the original trilogy. Also not a fan of the "special edition" additions for the most part, specifically the cringe worthy musical act in RotJ. Awful. Incidentally, I like nearly every movie and director listed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Lucas only because Star Wars is not only the greatest sci-fi movie (specifically the Empire Strikes Back) series imo, but it not only influenced sci-fi but basically all subsequent movies and how they are made.The writing for the prequels sucked, and Rick McCallum should have never been allowed to be part of the project, but that doesn't diminish the importance of the original trilogy. Also not a fan of the "special edition" additions for the most part, specifically the cringe worthy musical act in RotJ. Awful.Incidentally, I like nearly every movie and director listed here.Unfortunately for Lucas, Empire can't be counted - as it was directed by Irvin Kershner, with Lucas as producer and story (not screenplay) writer. If Empire was included, Lucas would certainly get a higher ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 God bless you, sir, for the absence of Christopher Nolan on your list. But I'm not certain if you're right when neglecting Andrei Tarkovsky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I'm surprised given this forums track record of Alfonso Cuaron love he hasn't been mentioned yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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