Joey Crows Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I recently heard someone speculate that Tyrion might not actually be Tywin's son. He may in fact be a bastard son of The Mad King and Joanna Lannister. Is this an excepted theory or is this a case of words are wind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dielsis Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/109496-a-compendium-of-theories-v2/ #3 in the "True Identities" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 People is kinda crazy for Secret targaryens. There is already two of them, why would any more be introduced? Even the "evidence" is forced. So, think whatever you want to think about that "theory". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Crows Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 People is kinda crazy for Secret targaryens. There is already two of them, why would any more be introduced? Even the "evidence" is forced. So, think whatever you want to think about that "theory".Could of course be total bs about Tyrion but I would imagine people are looking for the number of "secret Targs" to be 3. For dragon wrangling reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Could of course be total bs about Tyrion but I would imagine people are looking for the number of "secret Targs" to be 3. For dragon wrangling reasons. Well, we do have already three dragons: Dany, not secret Jon, "secret" Aegon, who even if he's fake or not, there is a chance that he's a Blackfyre if he's not a Targaryen, hence, also a Dragon. GRRM has said that the heads doesn't need to be Targaryens and well, technically, Aegon wouldn't be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Crows Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Well, we do have already three dragons: Dany, not secretJon, "secret"Aegon, who even if he's fake or not, there is a chance that he's a Blackfyre if he's not a Targaryen, hence, also a Dragon. GRRM has said that the heads doesn't need to be Targaryens and well, technically, Aegon wouldn't be one.Guess I should've said people want secret Targs to bring the number of potential riders to 3. If Aegon proves false then we still need one more. Of course if they don't need to have Targ blood who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Guess I should've said people want secret Targs to bring the number of potential riders to 3. If Aegon proves false then we still need one more. Of course if they don't need to have Targ blood who knows what GRRM has up his sleeve. fAegon is 1/8 to 3/5 Valyrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Nope. He probably has a drop of Targaryen blood through some marriage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Tyrion is a secret targ because he is euron who is dario who is arthur dayne who is doran who is mance who is rhaegar. That is how he is a secret targ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Also, Tyrion is ned who is rob who is cat who is lollys who is brienne who is dany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 fAegon is 1/8 to 3/5 Valyrian. More likely more then Dany or Jon, the blood of Valyrai is stronger in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I recently heard someone speculate that Tyrion might not actually be Tywin's son. He may in fact be a bastard son of The Mad King and Joanna Lannister. Is this an excepted theory or is this a case of words are wind? Its a well established theory with a wide base of textual support based on the relationship between Aerys and Joanna, Tywin's attitude, Tyrion's multitude of apparent dragon connections, the 3 'mothers-died-at-birth' 'main-heroes', and many clues about Tyrion being a king, or dragonrider, or other similar implications. But nothing rock solid. Its haters hate most viciously, quite irrationally, and aggressively loudly. Even the ones who are normally quite rational and sensible about things. I used to put it at anywhere between 30-50% probability, but a seemingly unrelated quote from GRRM dealt it a major blow. He said that Tyrion and Dany were named by their fathers, Jon by Ned Stark (carefully avoiding Ned=Jon's father implication). Its very very unikely Aerys had anything to do with naming Tyrion, so Tywin is almost certainly his father and Joanna is definitely his mother. So now I'd put it at more like 1-2%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Its a well established theory with a wide base of textual support based on the relationship between Aerys and Joanna, Tywin's attitude, Tyrion's multitude of apparent dragon connections, the 3 'mothers-died-at-birth' 'main-heroes', and many clues about Tyrion being a king, or dragonrider, or other similar implications. But nothing rock solid. Its haters hate most viciously, quite irrationally, and aggressively loudly. Even the ones who are normally quite rational and sensible about things. I used to put it at anywhere between 30-50% probability, but a seemingly unrelated quote from GRRM dealt it a major blow. He said that Tyrion and Dany were named by their fathers, Jon by Ned Stark (carefully avoiding Ned=Jon's father implication). Its very very unikely Aerys had anything to do with naming Tyrion, so Tywin is almost certainly his father and Joanna is definitely his mother. So now I'd put it at more like 1-2%.Could you please point me to the source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Could you please point me to the source? http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Numerous_Questions1 5. Since all of their mothers died, who gave Jon Snow, Daenerys Targaryen and Tyrion Lannister their names? Mothers can name a child before birth, or during, or after, even while they are dying. Dany was most like named by her mother, Tyrion by his father, Jon by Ned. Here's Me, WMarshal, and UnmaskedLurker talking about it. In short I don't think that SSM is confirmation that Tywin is Tyrions biological father. Nope. He probably has a drop of Targaryen blood through some marriage though. If there was a Targaryen/Lannister marriage we probably would have heard about it in the Westerlands reading. I suppose it's possible some Lannister married a Velyron or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrunkenDornishman Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 But he started that sentence saying Dany was "most like" named by her mother, tyrion by his father, Jon Ned. Doesn't that whole most likely thing leave room for any of those statements to later prove untrue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Tyrion is also Renly who is Davos who is illyn Payne who is Haldon who is Strong Belwas who is Aerys. That's also how he is a secret targ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 But he started that sentence saying Dany was "most like" named by her mother, tyrion by his father, Jon Ned. Doesn't that whole most likely thing leave room for any of those statements to later prove untrue? I think the lack of parallel structure is what's more notable in that. It implies Ned =/= Jon's father, though makes no such indications about who we know to be Tyrion's dad or Dany's mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Wasn't Tyrion Benjen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Is it already time for another one of these threads? Man, they never get old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Even if Tyrion is the bastard of Aerys II by Joanna, who is still alive to spill the beans? Aerys is dead, Joanna is dead, Tywin can't tell anymore, neither can his brothers. The only possible source would be Genna, but if she had known, her statement of "Tyrion is more your son that Jaime" wouldn't make any sense, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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