Is a Rickon vs Aegon -clash of kings- conflict inevitable?

[Lord Rhaegel Tarly]

Hi everyone, this is the first time that I've posted a topic so sorry if it's a bit rusty.

Now I know that this idea might seem very peculiar but, in my opinion, it seems very likely:

1) Dany will meet Marwyn the Mage either in Meereen or on her way to Westeros and he will convince her to go to the wall. Now at the wall, crazy things will happen between Stannis (who will be ridiculed and rejected by the northern lords due to his statements about the Others), Jon, Melisandre, Bran and Dany and her dragons. By the end of this 'skirmish' the Others will be defeated with Bran, Dany, Jon, Mel and Stannis dead.

2) Rickon is named King in the North by his banner men and the Riverlords and Vale lords (by Sansa's command) follow -at this point the Lannisters and Iron Born are rid of and Aegon sits the Iron Throne.

Due to this uprising, the Stormlords, Reach and Dornish and Crownland lords rally behind Aegon and a new war is started between Rickon -King in the North, King of the Trident and the Vale- and King Aegon VI.

I have stated that most of you guys will find this idea peculiar, but what are your thoughts?

[SacredOrderOfGreenMen]

Well, Bran is in fact the true heir to Winterfell and being set up in the text as the next Bran the Builder, (the King in the North), but Aegon and the Starks are still thousands of miles and several months a part from a confrontation, not to mention that the IT will soon be irrelevant.

I don't expect Aegon to live, because he simply is not that important in the narrative. Him taking the throne would be like a Deus Ex Machina at this point. The Targaryens couldn't rule Westeros for long without dragons.

[Good Guy Garlan]

I actually think Aegon will marry Sansa, and then Rickon, restored as the Lord of WF, will declare for Aegon

[Rorey Targaryen]

I actually think Aegon will marry Sansa and Rickon, restored as the Lord of WF, will declare for Aegon

:agree:

Yeah, this is pretty much how I see it going down.

[Boarsbane]

There is no way in hell the Vale lords will declare Rickon their king

[Lee-Sensei]

There is no way in hell the Vale lords will declare Rickon their king

Yeah. I don't know why so many people think this might happen.

[Arya Stark Rules]

There is no way in hell the Vale lords will declare Rickon their king

Agreed.

And I'll add, they won't declare for any Stark as their King or Queen.

[Universal Sword Donor]

No

[Dya of Oldstones]

Not happening, and Sansa marrying Aegon would be a stretch.

[Bael's Bastard]

Aegon taking KL for a time is probably inevitable, going to war with a little child who is missing with two books left, no.

[SacredOrderOfGreenMen]

Yeah. I don't know why so many people think this might happen.

It is interesting to think about what the Vale will do when they Littlefinger is removed. Technically, that is rebellion against the crown, but at the same time, no royal force is going to be marching in response.

With Sweetrobin sickly and being given fatal doses of medicine, who will take the place of the Arryn? No other Arryns have any importance in the narrative. Will Nestor Royce seize power for himself? Will they declare themselves an independent kingdom and simply hunker down for winter and wait for the story to pass?

I don't buy into any "Sansa Ice Queen" stuff, but based on her characterization, her growing skills as lying, emotional manipulation, and her knowledge of how power works in the South, she could be a very good diplomat for her family, so is GRRM building her up to sway the First Men houses of the Vale to throw their lot in with the Starks?-as an alliance of independent friends or as a subject? I don't the latter is as likely, given that I think Westeros is going back to seven independent kingdoms, because time is following a cycle in Westeros, but that's a whole other piece of meta.

[Lee-Sensei]

It is interesting to think about what the Vale will do when they Littlefinger is removed. Technically, that is rebellion against the crown, but at the same time, no royal force is going to be marching in response.

With Sweetrobin sickly and being given fatal doses of medicine, who will take the place of the Arryn? No other Arryns have any importance in the narrative. Will Nestor Royce seize power for himself? Will they declare themselves an independent kingdom and simply hunker down for winter and wait for the story to pass?

I don't buy into any "Sansa Ice Queen" stuff, but based on her characterization, her growing skills as lying, emotional manipulation, and her knowledge of how power works in the South, she could be a very good diplomat for her family, so is GRRM building her up to sway the First Men houses of the Vale to throw their lot in with the Starks?-as an alliance of independent friends or as a subject? I don't the latter is as likely, given that I think Westeros is going back to seven independent kingdoms, because time is following a cycle in Westeros, but that's a whole other piece of meta.

1) By all rights the Vale Lords should have the right to remove LF from power. He was Lysa's husband for a month(?), and Lysa was only ruling the Vale by proxy. It would be like the Lannister installing a regent in Dorne, the North or the Iron Islands. I don't think they have that authority.

2) I'm not sure that SR's going to die, but if he does I hope Sansa has no part in it or tries to save him. Sansa's one of the few completely innocent major characters in the book (before anyone says it, Sansa made a dumb mistake in revealing Ned's plans to Cersei so that doesn't cunt) and even though the kid's a brat, he's innocent, sick and her cousin. Killing him would be crossing a line.

3) The Vale Lords for the most part seem to be loyal just like most Northern Lords are loyal to the Starks. If LF were removed I suspect Yohn Royce would take over as regent for SR if he's alive or Harry would take over if SR dies.

4) If an Alliance comes about I suspect it would be as equally independent Kingdoms. The Houses that are descended from First Men are in the minority and even the ones that are would probably want an Arryn King.

[Northernmonkey]

I don't think anyone will declare Rickon king in the North. I don't think there's an appetite for another war of independence amongst the Northern lords. They'll be content with just getting rid of the Boltons and Freys.

[Sword of the Morgan]

I personally don't really want to see Rickon again.

[SacredOrderOfGreenMen]

1) By all rights the Vale Lords should have the right to remove LF from power. He was Lysa's husband for a month(?), and Lysa was only ruling the Vale by proxy. It would be like the Lannister installing a regent in Dorne, the North or the Iron Islands. I don't think they have that authority.

2) I'm not sure that SR's going to die, but if he does I hope Sansa has no part in it or tries to save him. Sansa's one of the few completely innocent major characters in the book (before anyone says it, Sansa made a dumb mistake in revealing Ned's plans to Cersei so that doesn't cunt) and even though the kid's a brat, he's innocent, sick and her cousin. Killing him would be crossing a line.

3) The Vale Lords for the most part seem to be loyal just like most Northern Lords are loyal to the Starks. If LF were removed I suspect Yohn Royce would take over as regent for SR if he's alive or Harry would take over if SR dies.

4) If an Alliance comes about I suspect it would be as equally independent Kingdoms. The Houses that are descended from First Men are in the minority and even the ones that are would probably want an Arryn King.

By rights, yes but this isn't normal circumstances. If they did, I wonder how Cercei and the crown will react. Will they even respond? With chaos so pervasive, and Vale independence a matter of reality anyways ,does it matter?

He has been given a third dose sweetsleep, which the maesters have warned prior is fatal. The boy is dying, unfortunately.

I'm not trying to say that Sansa is going to murder Sweetrobin. Not at all.

I'm not even trying to say that they will take a Stark as a new lord. Not at all.

House Royce, House Redfort, and the Templetons, interestingly, are all First Men (also House Tollet, but they are vassal of Royce), and they are apparently a large chunk of the Vale.

Intertestingly, it's Nestor Royce who ruled the Vale in Jon Arryn's absence-15 years, and was rumored to be another choice for Lord Protector after Jon's death.

It's Nestor Royce who now has Sansa Stark, Littlefinger (the guy that basically took the job Nestor should have) and the Arryn heir in his physical power.

Littlefinger gave Nestor what was never supposed to be a heriditary possession for a reason. The Arryns wintered in Bloody Gate, so of course you don't give it to a vassal. That's asking for your vassals to betray you.

I can't say that Nestor for sure how Nestor is planning to coup his way into power over the Vale, whether as the new Lord, as a regent, or what-have-you, but he's planning something, and has every opportunity and motive to do so.

Honestly, for me the Harry the Heir plot stinks of "not-gonna-happen-cause-it-seems-too-good-to-be-true." Every plot like this that's openly laid out so far has failed.

Just some food-for-thought.

(P.S., I am a Sansa stan but for me Arya is the person with the least blame for anything in the whole series, so lol)

[Jon's Queen Consort]

I am sorry but this looks like a fan fiction and as far as I know fan fictions aren't welcome around here.

[Sword of the Morgan]

Even if they both come to power, I don't know that they'll necessarily be at odds. I also think it's unlikely that either of them becomes a king.

[Lee-Sensei]

By rights, yes but this isn't normal circumstances. If they did, I wonder how Cercei and the crown will react. Will they even respond? With chaos so pervasive, and Vale independence a matter of reality anyways ,does it matter?

He has been given a third dose sweetsleep, which the maesters have warned prior is fatal. The boy is dying, unfortunately.

I'm not trying to say that Sansa is going to murder Sweetrobin. Not at all.

I'm not even trying to say that they will take a Stark as a new lord. Not at all.

House Royce, House Redfort, and the Templetons, interestingly, are all First Men (also House Tollet, but they are vassal of Royce), and they are apparently a large chunk of the Vale.

Intertestingly, it's Nestor Royce who ruled the Vale in Jon Arryn's absence-15 years, and was rumored to be another choice for Lord Protector after Jon's death.

It's Nestor Royce who now has Sansa Stark, Littlefinger (the guy that basically took the job Nestor should have) and the Arryn heir in his physical power.

Littlefinger gave Nestor what was never supposed to be a heriditary possession for a reason. The Arryns wintered in Bloody Gate, so of course you don't give it to a vassal. That's asking for your vassals to betray you.

I can't say that Nestor for sure how Nestor is planning to coup his way into power over the Vale, whether as the new Lord, as a regent, or what-have-you, but he's planning something, and has every opportunity and motive to do so.

Honestly, for me the Harry the Heir plot stinks of "not-gonna-happen-cause-it-seems-too-good-to-be-true." Every plot like this that's openly laid out so far has failed.

Just some food-for-thought.

(P.S., I am a Sansa stan but for me Arya is the person with the least blame for anything in the whole series, so lol)

1) The Crown can try to force LF on them, but that doesn't mean they have the authority too.

2) Not quite. The Maester said it could kill him... or not. It's not a sure thing yet.

3) I never said you were. I'm just saying that I hope not.

4) They're all descended from First Men founders, but they're primarily Andal at this point. The Vale is known for being the most Andal of the Seven Kingdoms and was the original landing place of the Andals on the continent.

5) You could be right about Nestor, but seeing as Jon left him in charge of the Vale for 15 years I'm going to guess that he's loyal and that Jon's trust in him wasn't misplaced.

6) That could be true, but if SR dies, the Vale would pass to him.

7) I don't know about Arya. She's done some shady things since AGoT.:)

[Liz Stark-Targaryen]

Aegon will sit the IT, at least for a time.

I hope Rickon survives through the end of the series.

[SacredOrderOfGreenMen]

1) The Crown can try to force LF on them, but that doesn't mean they have the authority too.

2) Not quite. The Maester said it could kill him... or not. It's not a sure thing yet.

3) I never said you were. I'm just saying that I hope not.

4) They're all descended from First Men founders, but they're primarily Andal at this point. The Vale is known for being the most Andal of the Seven Kingdoms and was the original landing place of the Andals on the continent.

5) You could be right about Nestor, but seeing as Jon left him in charge of the Vale for 15 years I'm going to guess that he's loyal and that Jon's trust in him wasn't misplaced.

6) That could be true, but if SR dies, the Vale would pass to him.

7) I don't know about Arya. She's done some shady things since AGoT. :)

Only could disagree one point: I think it's yet to be established what exactly is the ethnic status or culture of the Royces, Redforts and Templetons. Davos's jailer also went by "sir" but was decidedly a worshipper of the old gods. It's possible that they still have some First Men traditions among them, including even worship or respect for the Old Gods. We'll have to wait for GRRM to fill us in.

Here's a meta I wrote as a tumblr user that explains how everything that is new to the continent, including Andal-ness, is being wiped away. That is to say, Westeros is devolving into a much more primitive and wild state. So it's possible that the Vale lords are more First Men than we now know.

(Sansa doesn't seem to appreciate how dangerous the Sweetsleep is, so once again she could wrongly blame herself as being the key piece in a nefarious plot whose end was going to be achieved regardless)

I don't think that, whatever action Nestor takes, he will see it as a betrayal of Jon's memory. He may just see no good reason that a knight with little Arryn blood and no experience in ruling should rule the Vale, if and when SR dies.