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Dornish Debates II: Of Orphans and Inheritance


Julia Martell

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oh, you mean the dornish version of the lost boys? (no, not vampires)

does anyone else get the feeling that arrianne uses sex as a weapon?

why did the red viper cross the road?

(because you raped her, you killed her, you murdered her children)

i know about the lizard king, if that helps?

In other news.... Joffery isn't really Robert Baratheon's son!!!

Yes she does, but she's trying to branch out. We'll see how it goes.

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The golden tooth is interesting... There isn't anything further known about it, at least not for as far as I could find.

I wonder what happened between Arianne and Garin there :P

Probably a night of some too vigorous kink ;)

Also, loving the new avatars everyone!

Regarding the Vulture King, is that a bit from D&E? I don't remember anything from the main series but it sounds awesome.

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Probably a night of some too vigorous kink ;)

Also, loving the new avatars everyone!

Regarding the Vulture King, is that a bit from D&E? I don't remember anything from the main series but it sounds awesome.

There is some about the Vulture king in D&E, indeed (Dunk mentioning that Ser Arlan had fought against him, with Dunk as his squire).

It seems there have been multiple Vulture Kings, though, as there was also some info during the Sons of the Dragon reading, from after Aenys' coronation (these are Lord Varys' notes from that reading; stuff in [ ] is speculation):

4. The final would-be king was the so-called Vulture King. His lair was in the border region of the Red Mountains, between th Dornish Marches and Dorne. According to Ran, there are Dornish Marches in the Reach as well as in the Stormlands. My careless line of him getting support from 'all over the place' was obviously supposed to mean that he got support from people in those regions, not from the Riverlands, the North, or the Vale. I really thought that would be obvious... A few early victories against the Marcher Lords led to a vast swelling of his ranks, at at one point he had about 30,000 men.

Princess Deria assured Aenys that she was not supporting/backing the Vulture King, but there was talk that she may have provided him with provisions and money.

The Vulture King successfully took and burned Blackhaven and killed Lord Harmen (sp.) Dondarrion. His downfall began when he split his army into three parts, thinking that they could still crush any foe. Orys Baratheon took care of one army, and successfully captured Walter Wyl in the process, whose father was apparently responsible for the loss of his hand [i imagine during the attempted Conquest of Dorne which also led to the death of Rhaenys Targaryen]. He cut him to pieces, and although he died on the march back of wounds from the battle, his son Davos, who was with him [we don't know if he was his eldest son, and the successor as Lord of Storm's End] when he died, said that he looked strangely content when he looked at Lord Walter's rotting feet and hands...

The Vulture King's other armies were brought down by an alliance between the new Lord Dondarrion, Lady Caron, and Lord Samwell 'Savage Sam' Tarly, who fought with Heartsbane in hand. The Vulture King was captured in what became known as 'the Vulture Hunt'. Savage Sam caught him, and chained to rock to die there. Talk goes that vultures devoured him, but it seems that he died of thirst in truth.

He was but the first of many Vulture Kings. The name was used by many outlaws/bandit chieftains in the region, and it's not known if they were related to each other. Another Vulture King must have wreaked havoc during the days of Daeron II, when Ser Arlan helped bring him down in the service of the father of Lord Manfred Dondarrion. [Ran actually told me that GRRM originally had the idea to have another Vulture King kill Maekar I, but that's obviously no longer the case.]

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The golden tooth is interesting... There isn't anything further known about it, at least not for as far as I could find.

I wonder what happened between Arianne and Garin there :p

The wiki now includes the gold tooth under Garin's appearance ;)
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There is some about the Vulture king in D&E, indeed (Dunk mentioning that Ser Arlan had fought against him, with Dunk as his squire).

It seems there have been multiple Vulture Kings, though, as there was also some info during the Sons of the Dragon reading, from after Aenys' coronation (these are Lord Varys' notes from that reading; stuff in [ ] is speculation):

Very cool, thank you! Do we know if they were traditionally from House Blackmont, given their sigil?

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The wiki now includes the gold tooth under Garin's appearance ;)

I saw!

Very cool, thank you! Do we know if they were traditionally from House Blackmont, given their sigil?

Could be.. We don't have any info on that, IIRC. They might not have been.. There seem to have been a few, and it would seem weird for one house to repeatedly try and rebel..

That the Dornish ruling Princess "supported" the Vulture King in secret, suggests that it might not have been a noble dornishman, I guess.. Why support one of your own bannermen when they rebel?

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No. GRRM said that the Vulture King appeared in the Red Mountains (his exact words) so I think he was a bandit or something.

Could be.. We don't have any info on that, IIRC. They might not have been.. There seem to have been a few, and it would seem weird for one house to repeatedly try and rebel..

That the Dornish ruling Princess "supported" the Vulture King in secret, suggests that it might not have been a noble dornishman, I guess.. Why support one of your own bannermen when they rebel?

Huh, cool cool cool. Either way, I hope we hear more about these Vulture Kings in the future. I love the idea of the ruling Princess supporting him in secret, it sounds like a strategy in line with Doran's methodology tbh. Love me some shadow wars and plausible deniability!

(in fiction, at least)

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Huh, cool cool cool. Either way, I hope we hear more about these Vulture Kings in the future. I love the idea of the ruling Princess supporting him in secret, it sounds like a strategy in line with Doran's methodology tbh. Love me some shadow wars and plausible deniability!

(in fiction, at least)

This is the most important quote we've got on it from the Sons of the Dragon reading:

Princess Deria assured Aenys that she was not supporting/backing the Vulture King, but there was talk that she may have provided him with provisions and money.

Indeed perhaps a little like Doran not supporting Targaryens, whilst secretly plotting in the hopes of having a Targaryen regain the throne..

Although perhaps Deria might have been a bit more effective from the start ;)

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This is the most important quote we've got on it from the Sons of the Dragon reading:

Indeed perhaps a little like Doran not supporting Targaryens, whilst secretly plotting in the hopes of having a Targaryen regain the throne..

Although perhaps Deria might have been a bit more effective from the start ;)

Maybe just a liiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit :P

...at least until we see the true extent of Doran's support for the Targaryens! :commie: :commie: :commie:

(A boy can dream, right???)

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I saw!

I'm finally getting the hang of this wiki thing, I edited Bran a few weeks ago :p (as long as I don't need to format it...or add pictures. References and links I can manage though ;) ) On a related matter, Garin the Orphan should be more.sognificant than Prince Garin at present shouldn't he? Until the World book is released at any rate. Just for the disambiguation stuff.

Anyway, the female rulers of Dorne that we know.of so far impress me more than the males. We have had the Yellow Toad, who defied a woman riding a dragon. Deria who "didnt" support a rebel King. Myriah (or was it Maroah?) who was a Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. And Doran's mother, who gave a metaphorical two finger salute to Tywin by marrying Elia to Rhaegar :D :commie:

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I'm finally getting the hang of this wiki thing, I edited Bran a few weeks ago :P (as long as I don't need to format it...or add pictures. References and links I can manage though ;) ) On a related matter, Garin the Orphan should be more.sognificant than Prince Garin at present shouldn't he? Until the World book is released at any rate. Just for the disambiguation stuff.

Anyway, the female rulers of Dorne that we know.of so far impress me more than the males. We have had the Yellow Toad, who defied a woman riding a dragon. Deria who "didnt" support a rebel King. Myriah (or was it Maroah?) who was a Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. And Doran's mother, who gave a metaphorical two finger salute to Tywin by marrying Elia to Rhaegar :D :commie:

That lady needs a name badly. I'll be very pissed if it isn't in WoIaF.

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