Robb_Warged Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Will this be a game changing event? Will GRRM merely kill both Davos and Rickon before making it back to the North :p ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Battle of the Ice is as important as that. If Stannis kills Roose, then Manderly has it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Yes, game changer. Rickon Stark changes everything - the north will rally behind him. It screws Bolton's, Lannister's and Littlefinger's plans. Hard to say what it will mean for Stannis but it should help to regain stability in the north in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dovahkiin Snow Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It will give Stannis a much needed boost by securing White Harbor to his cause, and the true Northmen will rally around Rickon, and possibly Stannis by association, as it was his Hand that retrieved him for them.I would love Shaggydog to rip Ramsay to shreds, too, unless Theon or Asha can somehow kill him instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Either it will give Stannis the North in his hand OR it will cause even more chaos when the Northmen turn on Stannis for their "King in the North". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Im under the impression that Manderly all ready has Rickon. Manderly faction is going to use Stannis to help remove the Boltons. Then they will leave Stannis out in the cold not supporting his claim to the IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Im under the impression that Manderly all ready has Rickon. Manderly faction is going to use Stannis to help remove the Boltons. Then they will leave Stannis out in the cold not supporting his claim to the IT. Do you think he was lying to Davos? Or do you think Davos has already returned? To be fair, they may wish Stannis good luck and send him on his way. There's nothing they can do to help him secure the throne though. They may swear fealty to him, they may not, I really have no idea. To be honest, I don't think it matters either way. Hard to see how Stannis can win the IT now. They'll join with him if he helps them fight the Others though, which really should be their main concern once they get rid of Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Nutella Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 They have still no clue, and why should they listen before it is to late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 They have still no clue, and why should they listen before it is to late? The northern lords about the Others? Well, if the NW thought to tell them and even perhaps offer some proof, that might help. But I think the NW isn't in the best shape atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Davos has all ready returned. I think in the essays that i have read. It has been calculated that 6-8 months from Davos last chapter to Theons Sample chapter. Some have pointed out that all of the questions that Umber asked FArya are questions associated with Osha. Like Osha banging the cook. Osha making off with Mikkens sword. Its kinda of a stretch but then you add it to the bigger picture of the situation in the north it adds up. Im pretty much convinced that Manderly / Umber are planning on overthrowing Bolton with out any influence from Stannis. And him being in the picture is just a bonus for them. There is really strong evidence to support this. The biggest one being Umber. Who swore featly to Stannis yet doesn't tell Stannis anything at all. About his plans his strength etc.. Stannis finds what Umber is doing via Theon. About the digging the pits outside the gates and the size / quality of the force he is in command of. Seems kinda of odd of there lack of communication no? Also you have another really odd conversation in the sample chapter. Stannis does not seem aware of any battles that Ramsey has fought in let alone won. He has no idea ramsey is won the battle at winterfel and sacked it. Even tho he writes Jon that his ranked have swelled from a surge of recruits. And he adds in that surviors from the battle of winterfel are joining his ranks. People who would know first hand about Ramsey. Yet no one felt the need to tell Stannis. He wants his bride back. He wants his Reek." Theon's laugh was half a titter, half a whimper. "Lord Ramsay is the one Your Grace should fear."Stannis bristled at that. "I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of the Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?" The general idea is Manderly has a huge force of men hiding out in the wolfs wood. And that he has the support of the Umbers inside and outside of Winterfel. That The Umbers inside of Winterfel will revolt and open the gate from the inside to allow the Manderly force to take the castle and kill Bolton. I.E no Umber shall fight Umber. By Camping an Umber force right outside the walls will mean Bolton would not send the Umbers inside to fight. Because Umbers wont fight Umbers. Thus securing a force loyal to Manderly / Rickon guaranteed to be in WF at all times. That the hooded man is Robert Glover. Also that Mance is working loosely with the Manderly faction to rise tensions in Winterfel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It changes everything. The Boltons will be screwed even if "Arya" had not slipped from their grasp. However, it is trouble for Stannis too, because those following him are only doing so to rescue a Stark, not out of true loyalty. The Manderlys may keep their word and declare for him, but all the other Northmen still have "King In The North" ringing in their ears (and may want another one). As well, this may save Theon in one respect - proof the Stark boys were never killed by him. And if word of Rickon being alive reaches Sansa and Jon and Arya, well ... This raises even more questions. (For one - where is Bran ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat My Steel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Also you have another really odd conversation in the sample chapter. Stannis does not seem aware of any battles that Ramsey has fought in let alone won. He has no idea ramsey is won the battle at winterfel and sacked it. Even tho he writes Jon that his ranked have swelled from a surge of recruits. And he adds in that surviors from the battle of winterfel are joining his ranks. People who would know first hand about Ramsey. Yet no one felt the need to tell Stannis. One problem your theory overlooks is that the letter that Jon Snow recieves was not from Ramsay, it was from Mance Rayder. I recommend checking out the FAQs at the Citadel on this topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat My Steel Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It will give Stannis a much needed boost by securing White Harbor to his cause, and the true Northmen will rally around Rickon, and possibly Stannis by association, as it was his Hand that retrieved him for them.I would love Shaggydog to rip Ramsay to shreds, too, unless Theon or Asha can somehow kill him instead. I think it will swell Stannis' ranks to allow him to win the throne, albeit temporarily. Theon will not be killing Ramsay since he is a broken man, although he may sacrifice himself to that end in some capacity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Queen Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 One problem your theory overlooks is that the letter that Jon Snow recieves was not from Ramsay, it was from Mance Rayder. I recommend checking out the FAQs at the Citadel on this topic.... Got a link for that? I'm at the Citadel right now and I'm not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I think it will swell Stannis' ranks to allow him to win the throne, albeit temporarily. Theon will not be killing Ramsay since he is a broken man, although he may sacrifice himself to that end in some capacity... Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I also think Davos has already returned with Rickon (or at least notified Manderly that he's found him), because it seems like Manderly and the Umbers have already decided to turn on the Boltons. It would pretty reckless to make a move before Rickon has been found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Does anyone else think Davos will be suspicious of Wyman's plans and take Rickon straight to Stannis? That seems like the wiser course, there is always a danger of Rickon being crowned king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I also think Davos has already returned with Rickon (or at least notified Manderly that he's found him), because it seems like Manderly and the Umbers have already decided to turn on the Boltons. It would pretty reckless to make a move before Rickon has been found. It's possible because Manderly was deliberately provoking the Freys so Roose would send them outside the castle. Why did he make his move then? It's possible that the Umbers outside have been communicating with the Umbers inside, perhaps by some secret morse code or something with the horns. Or maybe not. And how did the Umbers outside know which gate the Freys were coming out of? They wouldn't have wanted to risk killing White Harbour men. Am I right in thinking that the Umber inside WF took the old men with him? If so, that's significant because they would prefer to die heroically rather than outside in the snow in winter. I also think the Greatjon would be willing to sacrifice himself if it meant Bolton dies, so no worry about hostages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Does anyone else think Davos will be suspicious of Wyman's plans and take Rickon straight to Stannis? That seems like the wiser course, there is always a danger of Rickon being crowned king. Well Stannis is fighting a war so it wouldn't be safe to take him there. It's perfectly possible that he didn't take him straight to Manderly and just sent word that he had him. I thought he might have taken him to the wall but he would probably know better than taking him anywhere near Melisandre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 It's possible because Manderly was deliberately provoking the Freys so Roose would send them outside the castle. Why did he make his move then? It's possible that the Umbers outside have been communicating with the Umbers inside, perhaps by some secret morse code or something with the horns. Or maybe not. And how did the Umbers outside know which gate the Freys were coming out of? They wouldn't have wanted to risk killing White Harbour men. Am I right in thinking that the Umber inside WF took the old men with him? If so, that's significant because they would prefer to die heroically rather than outside in the snow in winter. I also think the Greatjon would be willing to sacrifice himself if it meant Bolton dies, so no worry about hostages. There's a theory that the Umbers inside the castle have been communicating with the ones outside by placing snowmen on the castle walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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