Nictarion Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'm not saying Tywin was a military genius, but losing battles or having something fuck up in your theatre and being a military genius aren't mutually exclusive. Maybe not, but Tywin wasn't just losing battles, he was losing the war. Against a 16 year old. Now if he was facing superior forces, like say Lee (who was a military genius, but still lost the war) during the civil war, that's one thing, but I would think the Westerlands were quite capable of beating the North and the Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Orys Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Maybe not, but Tywin wasn't just losing battles, he was losing the war. Against a 16 year old. Now if he was facing superior forces, like say Lee (who was a military genius, but still lost the war) during the civil war, that's one thing, but I would think the Westerlands were quite capable of beating the North and the Riverlands. "You think I'd be in my position if I'd lost a war?" - Tywin Lannister ACOK paperback pg. 417 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Clegane's head Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 And what wars has Tywin waged exactly? The one where he vastly outnumbered the Reynes or the one where he sacks the capital after waiting for the rebels to do all the work? Or the one where he gets his entire fleet destroyed by people like Euron & Vic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Maybe not, but Tywin wasn't just losing battles, he was losing the war. Against a 16 year old. Now if he was facing superior forces, like say Lee (who was a military genius, but still lost the war) during the civil war, that's one thing, but I would think the Westerlands were quite capable of beating the North and the Riverlands. Wasn't the Westerlands military strength 40 000 men at the start of the war? I think that the North and the Riverlands combined have more manpower than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 And what wars has Tywin waged exactly? The one where he vastly outnumbered the Reynes or the one where he sacks the capital after waiting for the rebels to do all the work? Or the one where he gets his entire fleet destroyed by people like Euron & Vic? The dumbass Reynes rushed at him half cocked because he took out their ally so quickly. Fighting battles were you are outnumbered is something most smart commanders will try to avoid. His fleet was burned at anchor with no provocation, no one saw the Greyjoy rebellion coming, Stannis didn't see the wildfire coming, is he an idiot for getting his entire fleet destroyed at Blackwater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hear me bore Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 And he left House Lannister in a great condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am TheSongOf IceAndFire Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 can i just say charles dance was perfect as previously opined and that i only enjoy seeing him more in Last Action Hero. 'gotta catch the red-eye!'although perfectly portrayed, nothing beats book tywin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I prefer other ruthless/no-nonsense leaders from aSoIaF without the tendency to go completely nuts if slighted or provoked, if i'm being honest, but he's undeniably a competent ruler and lord. Genna nails it, though. Everything she says about him is so true. I like her story (the Frey marriage), Little Tywin had balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Coat of Gold Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Throughout recent Westerosi events, one thing has remained consistent- you don't F with Tywin Lannister. Say what you will about the morality of his actions, he is effective at getting the job done. That is why you can't spell Tywin without win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'm not saying Tywin was a military genius, but losing battles or having something fuck up in your theatre and being a military genius aren't mutually exclusive. Shouldn't you at least win a few battles in an impressive ways to be called a military genius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Coat of Gold Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Maybe not, but Tywin wasn't just losing battles, he was losing the war. Against a 16 year old. Now if he was facing superior forces, like say Lee (who was a military genius, but still lost the war) during the civil war, that's one thing, but I would think the Westerlands were quite capable of beating the North and the Riverlands. but he wasn't losing. Literally all of Robb's victories have come by ambush, and they led to absolutely nothing. Oxcross- His magical wolf led him to a path around the Golden Tooth so he could surprise and ambush the weakest part of Tywin's army. What did he win off that? Nothing. None of the castles he captured were kept. He married Jeyne which essentially ruined him. Whispering Wood- Ambushed Jaime and a small retinue. Lost numerous high lords, but captured Jaime nonetheless. Jaime is released some time later for no ransom. Two battles. Hell, even he knew he was losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Coat of Gold Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The guy already ended the line of two ancient houses before he was 20. He was as badass as it gets. If his son, who ironically lived down to everything Tywin said about him, doesn't get released, Tommen would be king til his hair tured white and there would be peace for decades, even after he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jslay427 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 but he wasn't losing. Literally all of Robb's victories have come by ambush, and they led to absolutely nothing. Oxcross- His magical wolf led him to a path around the Golden Tooth so he could surprise and ambush the weakest part of Tywin's army. What did he win off that? Nothing. None of the castles he captured were kept. He married Jeyne which essentially ruined him. Whispering Wood- Ambushed Jaime and a small retinue. Lost numerous high lords, but captured Jaime nonetheless. Jaime is released some time later for no ransom. Two battles. Hell, even he knew he was losing it.Whispering wood and battle of the camps are two different engagements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 "nd hoo r u" de prowd lor sed "dat I mus bou so loe. onlee a kat uv a difernt cote, das al da truf I knoe. in a cote uv gol nd a cote uv read, de liyn stil haz claus. nd mien r lon nd shawp mai lor, alson nd shawp ass urs."nd soe he spok n so he spok, dat lawd o castamiir, butt now da reinz wiip or hiz hal wif noone der to heer, yez now da reinz wiip orr hiz hal n not a sowl to heer.Da Reinz of Castamiir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikajon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 "nd hoo r u" de prowd lor sed "dat I mus bou so loe. onlee a kat uv a difernt cote, das al da truf I knoe. in a cote uv gol nd a cote uv read, de liyn stil haz claus. nd mien r lon nd shawp mai lor, alson nd shawp ass urs."nd soe he spok n so he spok, dat lawd o castamiir, butt now da reinz wiip or hiz hal wif noone der to heer, yez now da reinz wiip orr hiz hal n not a sowl to heer. Da Reinz of Castamiir.wonderful...I still have difficulties in deciphering it, although I know the words in the original language :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I actually love Tywin because of what he did to the Reynes and Tarbecks Disrespect shouldn't be left unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kikajon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I think he was the most intelligent man in westeros.he really loved his wife and I think she was the only human being that ever loved him.He had no one to love or to be capable to love, so devoted his life to putting his family in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I actually love Tywin because of what he did to the Reynes and Tarbecks Disrespect shouldn't be left unpunished. What about all the innocent men, women children and babies who were also butchered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Clegane's head Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I actually love Tywin because of what he did to the Reynes and Tarbecks Disrespect shouldn't be left unpunished. What do you call melting Ice down then? Or the way he treated Elia & her kids? Or the way he treated Sansa? Tywin disrespected more people then any other named character in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nastydream Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I actually love Tywin because of what he did to the Reynes and Tarbecks Disrespect shouldn't be left unpunished. :eek: wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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