SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Interesting character: yes. Political mastermind: short-sided (read: undermines the cultural cornerstones that hold the Westerosi political system together [RW, having the Mountain kill Elia which immediately ruled out a number of possible compromises, chooses like many others to march to war without asking to negotiate which is exactly what caused WW1, alienates his most politically able son) Military commander: As far as I know, Tywin is never shown to be a personally formulating and then leading a successful battleplan. He's not a commander, he just listend to the Adam Marbrands that were under him. His notable accomplishment was the razing and war crimes committed in the Riverlands. So, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Interesting character: yes. Political mastermind: short-sided (read: undermines the cultural cornerstones that hold the Westerosi political system together [RW, having the Mountain kill Elia which immediately ruled out a number of possible compromises, chooses like many others to march to war without asking to negotiate which is exactly what caused WW1, alienates his most politically able son) Military commander: As far as I know, Tywin is never shown to be a personally formulating and then leading a successful battleplan. He's not a commander, he just listend to the Adam Marbrands that were under him. His notable accomplishment was the razing and war crimes committed in the Riverlands. So, eh. Sorry, but this and the many posts like it can only come from an extremely shallow reading of Tywin. It leaves out all the context of his decisions and even gets facts wrong (we see Tywin plan the Green Fork in AGOT, and the World of Ice and Fire has revealed that he won two pitched battle against the Reynes/Tarbeck, leading one of the charges himself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 That title belongs to Euron Crow's Eye.Not enough page time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 But if a best villians of asoiaf list is ever compiled only one can be on the topYes, and my vote would be for Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Sorry, but this and the many posts like it can only come from an extremely shallow reading of Tywin. It leaves out all the context of his decisions and even gets facts wrong (we see Tywin plan the Green Fork in AGOT, and the World of Ice and Fire has revealed that he won two pitched battle against the Reynes/Tarbeck, leading one of the charges himself) The Green Fork was a strategic loss. He was successfully tricked. He lead the charge, but did he formulate the plan? Did he make key decisions that changed the course of battle? Maybe, but I'll wait till the World of Ice and Fire comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I suppose Shae was planted there by Varys. I'm glad we've arrived at the same conclusion. :) Your memory must be terrible. ;) Nah, its pretty good. I recall the good stuff and none of the bad. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm glad we've arrived at the same conclusion. :) Either you're in denial, or you just plain don't understand sarcasm. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Either you're in denial, or you just plain don't understand sarcasm. :rolleyes: That was sarcasm on LofW's part. There is a theory Shae was planted by Varys. I don't agree with it but some people think it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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