Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 From the 5 religions that have ever been in westeros (The 7, old gods,drowned god,r'hlorr,and the valyrian faith) we have seen only 4 out of 5 show any power whatsoever old gods have green dreams and wargingdrowned god has people coming back from the dead (aeron damphair for example)the valyrian faith being the only faith that allows control over dragons ( I know that the fot7 targs had dragons aswell but they were muuuuuuuch weaker than the original 3)and ofcourse r'hlorr the biggest religion in the world, smallest in westeros, but obviously, the most powerfull. it can ressurect people, make shadow babies reveal the future and much much more in truth, the only religion we haven't seen showing "godly" powers is ironiclly the biggest one in westeros, apart from its holy orders, the fot7 is probably "fake" as in non existent in planetos we haven't seen any of the 7 helping characters (catelyn prayed to the mother but lost all her children), (jamie prayed to the warrior but lost the battle against robb and eventually, his arm) (davos prayed to the smith but lost his navy)really, any character that prays to seven for anything, will most likely lose it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Evidence for the existence of gods? And no, the existence of magic doesn't prove that gods exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 There's also the Dothraki and Ghiscari religions. I think all the gods are lies. They are magic taking forms. Melisandre using magic and powders, a ritual to create shadow babies. Green seeing and warging. These are all aspects of the world and people see them as religious figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 There's also the Dothraki and Ghiscari religions.I think all the gods are lies. They are magic taking forms. Melisandre using magic and powders, a ritual to create shadow babies. Green seeing and warging. These are all aspects of the world and people see them as religious figures.i was talking about westerosi religons well obviously the magic has some connection to a character's religion, we have never seen or heard of a fot7 person warging. even sansa which was sort of half and half, didn't have her brothers's warging powers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 i was talking about westerosi religons i was talking about westerosi religons well obviously the magic has some connection to a character's religion, we have never seen or heard of a fot7 person warging. even sansa which was sort of half and half, didn't have her brothers's warging powersSo that's the old gods and the new. We already know the old gods are just green seers locked into a constant web of forever seeing. The 7 are basically based off of what it takes to operate a village or town. Mothers, fathers, warriors, smiths, crones, maids, and strangers. They are all necessary to run society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 well obviously the magic has some connection to a character's religion, we have never seen or heard of a fot7 person warging. even sansa which was sort of half and half, didn't have her brothers's warging powers Maybe because the Andals didn't bother to learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 also, red priests practice alot of magic, while septons and maesters are generally opposed to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 also, red priests practice alot of magic, while septons and maesters are generally opposed to it Maesters are. Evidence for septons being opposed to magic? Prayers are a form of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 Prayers are a form of magic. crappy form of magic though, as i said in my OP every person that prayes to the seven has the exact thing the god was supposed to prevent happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 crappy form of magic though, as i said in my OP every person that prayes to the seven has the exact thing the god was supposed to prevent happen Davos's prayer in Davos I ASOS was answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 crappy form of magic though, as i said in my OP every person that prayes to the seven has the exact thing the god was supposed to prevent happenMaybe the 7 are real, but they just have a really ironic way of proving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 Davos's prayer in Davos I ASOS was answered. he lost the battle, his ship, and most of his sons, not exactly answerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys' kitten Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 the valyrian faith What's that? I don't recall there being a Valyrian faith in Westeros. Where are their temples? What form does their worship take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 aegon the conquerer believed in the valyrian faith, which has something to do with dragons but after he counquered oldtown he decided to convert so everybody would like him dragonstone is probably the only place it was worshiped in westeros, but since they ruled all westeros with this faith i decided to include it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 aegon the conquerer believed in the valyrian faith, which has something to do with dragons but after he counquered oldtown he decided to convert so everybody would like him dragonstone is probably the only place it was worshiped in westeros, but since they ruled all westeros with this faith i decided to include it Aegon converted to the Fot7 in Oldtown. Saying that Valyrian polytheism is a Westerosi religion is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Aegon converted to the Fot7 in Oldtown. Saying that Valyrian polytheism is a Westerosi religion is ridiculous.As is the red god. That is purely Essos, but they have been trying to convert westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 It would be a bit nihilistic if the only gods in Westeros that were "fake" were the only ones who are not completely evil. In any event, making pacts with demons because those demons offer certain personal power-benefits hardly seems like a good idea.In any event, we have never directly seen the demon-gods, like Rhllor, either. And there is at least indirect evidence that the Seven do have power. The Mother is implied to have saved Davos from drowning; and he heard her voice in his head afterwards. The Seven are also said to have saved the Elder Brother from drowning; at least, waking up on the Quiet Isle after falling unconscious on the Trident seems miraculous indeed (how did he survive unconscious in the river?). The Seven are said to have gifted the Elder Brother with healing hands. Lancel claims the Seven send him visions, and we don't know where that's going yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 well i guess we should talk about essosi religions too if you guys decided tha the valyrian faith is essosiwell there are a ton of esossi religions, many of which we dont know about but after remembering them all i only discovered 2 that might make the "real" count both of them are beliefs in real people thoughthe braavosi moonsingers are one of them, they are basicly the founders of braavos so the slaves worshiped them, obvioussly they had some power if they could hide such a huge city like braavos from the sprawling valyrian empirethe second one is the warlocks of qarth, we know they are real and im pretty sure they are worshiped by most of the qartheen as godlike figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 As is the red god. That is purely Essos, but they have been trying to convert westeros. There are Red Temples for Dornish people in Dorne, so R'hllorism could count as a Westerosi religion, but only to the extent that Christianity was a Japanese religion in the Sengoku Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 well i guess we should talk about essosi religions too if you guys decided tha the valyrian faith is essosi well there are a ton of esossi religions, many of which we dont know about but after remembering them all i only discovered 2 that might make the "real" count both of them are beliefs in real people though the braavosi moonsingers are one of them, they are basicly the founders of braavos so the slaves worshiped them, obvioussly they had some power if they could hide such a huge city like braavos from the sprawling valyrian empire the second one is the warlocks of qarth, we know they are real and im pretty sure they are worshiped by most of the qartheen as godlike figures Braavos was originally smaller. ETA: Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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