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Jeyne Westerling giving birth to Robb Starks heir?


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Watching recently the comic con Game of thrones panel there was a question addressed to GRRM. In the answer George told the audience that Jeyne Westerling will be seen in the prologue of The Winds of Winter.
The link is here by the way : http://youtu.be/RhDGkSqtOzE?t=31m29s

Now If she would be just a minor character in the prologue told by another POV character this theory would lose its ground but if she herself would be the prologue character it opens up some doors.

First of we know that prologue and epilogue POV characters have a tendency to die, so having Jeyne a POV is a death sentence. But how and why would she die?

The first and logical assumption would be that she dies because she tries to escape during her travel to the Crag where Jaime sent her with the escort of soldiers.

The second assumption however is much more interesting. If we take into account the various theories that Jeyne has been switched (because Catelyn says her hips look good to bear a child , while Jaime comments on her being too skinny for that) we could hypothesize that the real Jeyne has to be tucked away somewhere. But why would there be a need to hide the real Jeyne? My theory is that Jeyne is pregnant with Robbs heir and her family has to hide her and switch her with another girl because if they would know she is pregnant it would mean death for her. The death that she would suffer in the prologue chapter would be a death in childbirth (which is very common in those times) much like Lyanna.

What do you guys think?

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It's been more than a second VeldtRoarer, but I'll mention the show! You have to acknowledge that, until Talisa was killed (by very obvious stabs to the belly/womb), there was that small possibility of a baby wolf out there somewhere that might be a wildcard in the future. The show's killing of Talisa means that, even if Jeyne Stark (née Westerling) is pregnant, it will be of little or no consequence to the story.

Anyway, iirc, Jeyne's mother was colluding with Tywin and was one of the architects of the RW, so I don't think she'd hesitate to induce a miscarriage for her daughter.

It will be nice to find out more in the prologue. How long more must we wait?!!!!

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I don't think she is the Pov, just that she will be involved in it.



I don't think she is pregnant, but if she is this is ICE AND FIRE, its not going to be a happy ending.



I think the prologue will be a attempted rescue by the Blackfish of Edmure and Jeyne, either failed or successful, we'll have to wait and see.



If she is pregnant & dies giving birth, Edmure and his Frey wife may pass of the child as theirs, a mirroring of Jon.


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After rereading ASOS, it's definitely implied throughout that something isn't exactly peachy with the Westerlings. Tywin promised them gold and lands to cheat and betray Robb Stark, and poor little ignorant Jeyne was used as a pawn by her mother. She notes in one of Catelyn's chapters that she and Robb are trying regularly to get pregnant, and that her mother was brewing her a drink daily to help her fertility. There is not chance she's pregnant, or that she'll give birth to anything. The clues of the Red Wedding were there, and the Westerlings were part of the plot, and Jeyne was kept in the dark. I find it interesting how this is still brought up,


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Why not a Prologue about the state of the West? Martin said we would see Casterly Rock at some point, why not now? We see it through Edmure's eyes as he's brought to CR as a prisoner, we meet Jeyne again and get to take stalk of how the West is dealing with a Tywin-less, Jaime-less, Kevan-less world and how Cersei hasn't given a single thought nor even tried to gauge the situation out there since taking over as the "head" of House Lannister. Devan hasn't even been in the West once since being named Warden of the West and while not incompetent, doesn't have that iron reputation that the others had, it seems like it could be pretty unstable.


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I don't think Jeyne is carrying Robb's child.. but, i do believe that she'll rise into greatness herself, probably becoming Lady of Castamere in her own right, and would end start to plot and scheme the Lannister downfall from within the Westerlands itself.. It has been hinted that she is more like her mother in ways she is not yet aware of, the only difference is she loved Robb, and as Lady of the much coveted Castamere, she'll soon take back what she is owed.. ASoIaF is not your regular fairytale where you can find a young man with a secret heritage that would one day strive to regain his disgraced father's lost throne.. Oh, wait! :dunno:


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It's been more than a second VeldtRoarer, but I'll mention the show! You have to acknowledge that, until Talisa was killed (by very obvious stabs to the belly/womb), there was that small possibility of a baby wolf out there somewhere that might be a wildcard in the future. The show's killing of Talisa means that, even if Jeyne Stark (née Westerling) is pregnant, it will be of little or no consequence to the story.

Only if "of little or no consequence" are defined as "no more important than Willas Tyrell, Garlan Tyrell, Arianne Martell, Quentyn Martell, Aeron Damphair, the Kettleblacks, the Goat and his Brave Companions, or several other characters culled by the showrunners".

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Only if "of little or no consequence" are defined as "no more important than Willas Tyrell, Garlan Tyrell, Arianne Martell, Quentyn Martell, Aeron Damphair, the Kettleblacks, the Goat and his Brave Companions, or several other characters culled by the showrunners".

Well... Yes.

D&D know more about how the Song plays out than I do, but I'm not surprised that most of those characters are cut out.

In the Song of Ice and Fire, there are the lead singers, the support vocals, the chorus and well, there are those that don't seem to sing much at all. Like Willas.

The Goat and the Brave Companions might have seemed terrifying for Arya in aCoK, but that's ages ago. We all know they were chorus singers and their roles can be condensed for the show.

The show has production constraints that mean they mess about with things a bit. Like timeline. Show-Bran has already reached the 3EC, but Tyrion's ship to Essos has barely left KL, so Tyrion has a loooong way to go to end up in Mereen. So Quentyn (who ends up in Mereen) might be held over for Season 6. I know he's dead, so he's not a singer in the final act, but the presence of his companions in Mereen might still be of consequence.

They hire actors on contract, so might condense a character's events into one season, rather than hire an actor over two seasons. Perhaps the Iron Islands (and Damphair) might feature more prominently in Season 6?

I would be interested in Arianne's story, but if she's cut, ergo she's a minor character. But who do you think Meena Rayann will be playing?? Maybe??

The point is, the show may differ, but it has the same overarching storyline. If a character is cut from show, it means they are a minor character in the books. Some of these we already know are minor, some are more surprising. Talisa's death means either (a) no Robb Junior in the books or ( B) Robb Junior will be of no major consequence.

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I have always though Jeyne's role was over after the Red Wedding, and the show only confirmed that. The theories about evasions, pregnancies, swaps, double/triple/quadruple level betrayals always felt off the wall. So I think Jeyne that if Jeyne is in the prologue, she will describe the BwB attacking the prisoner train going to Casterly Rock, and she will die.

This being said, is there a reason an offspring of Robb is always expected to be male? Last I checked, around fifty percent of the time, newborn babies were girls..

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You don't need the TV show to conclude that Robb's pup could be, at the most, another complication in the grand scheme of things. This isn't "Look Who's Talking", a newborn won't have a major speaking part. Had you expected the Schroedinger's fetus to become a major character, before you saw that episode of the show and changed your opinion?



Bottom line, the HBO's version of the events doesn't tell us anything we weren't perfectly aware of already.


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