Posted 27 October 2006 - 03:33 PM
One thing I'm puzzled about is that there were 'five generations' between Daemon and Maelys, yet it's only about 60 years at maximum. Surely it could only be two or three at the most? Either that or Catelyn liked the phrase, inaccurate as it was.
Posted 27 October 2006 - 05:06 PM
I think she was counting by the generations of the royal family. Speaking broadly, from Daemon on down to Maelys, we're looking at Aegon the Unworthy (where Blackfyre first started causing problems for House Targaryen, thanks to Aegon's unworthiness), his son Daeron the Good, his sons Aerys I and Maekar I, Maekar's son Aegon V, and if we stretch it a little, his sons Prince Duncan and Prince Jaehaerys (both who were certainly of age to be involved in the War of the Ninepenny Kings in some capacity).
Posted 01 November 2006 - 11:34 AM
Do you think you could ask george to consider reading it and maybe accepting it, or at least with some changes.
I read some of it, and it really sounds interesting
It's a longshot, mainly because we all know how protective George is about Westeros.
Edited by Barba, 01 November 2006 - 11:35 AM.
Posted 17 November 2006 - 02:25 PM
Why joined Aegon and his sister the Faith before they started their conquest?
Important: Names and ages of all Targaryen dragons till Aegon III.! Every non-Targaryen woman that married in the house. All houses who got Targaryen princesses.
How was the role of Aegon's sisters at court? Did any of them outlived him, or even Aenys I.? Women are supposed to live longer than men, even in Westeros ;-). How many daughters had Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys together? Was Aenys I. married to one of his sisters? Was one queen of Maegor I. (his first?) his sister, and did he killed her, too?
Why got Aenys I. the Iron Throne in the first place? Did Aegon I. loved him most, or was it some plot by courtiers, his mother, or other forces? How did Aenys I. die? Was it murder? If so - was Maegor involved?
Who orchestrated the rebellion after Aegon's I. death? Was the Faith the only force behind it? Was there a different policy under Aenys I. than under Maegor - as the Hand became King it appears not that likely? Was Maegor even Hand under Aegon I.?
Did Aenys's sister-wife outlived her husband and Maegor? Took Maegor her to wife, too ;-)?
Some great deeds of Jaehaerys's reign: How old was he when he took over? What changed under his rule? Maegor and Aegon I. appear to have taken more direct influence in the politics of the realm.
Had he any brothers or sisters? All children of Alysanne and Jaehaerys. Don't know if that belongs to the DoD-thing: Why married Viserys I. no Targaryen woman? There must have been suitable sisters, cousins, aunts ;-).
A general thing: Am I mistaken, or are Targaryen regularily mad when their eyes are a very deep purple?
Maybe a thing about Jaehaerys II.: Why is his left arm hidden on Amok's portrait? Is it burned ;-)?
How many people were (believed to be) murdered/poisoned by Viserys II. ;-)?
Some things from the Dunk & Egg stories: How died Egg's mother/Maekar's sister-wife (?)? How many daughters had Daeron the Good? One for each son, or even more?
A none Targaryen question: Include the name of Doran's mother? She was important in this Lannister-Martell-strife for prestige ;-).
And do we know that Ned's mother was not a sister of Jaeharys II. ;-)?
Edit: Targaryens in the Night's Watch (and why), Targaryens as Maesters, Grand Maesters and Archmaesters (if there were any), Targaryens as Septons and Septas (especially Targaryens as High Septons - if there were any) and Targaryens in the Kingsguard.
And, most important, their role as ruling (?) House in Valyria. Maybe the names of some powerful Targaryen sorcerers in Valyria - if there were any ;-).
If Valyria was similar organized as the (late) Roman Republic, it would be intersting if the Targaryens were an Ancient House or some kind of homines novi...
Aegon's parents and grandparents would be intersting, too. Maybe even the Targaryens living during the Doom and there role in it - if they sat not simply on Dragonstone.
Edited by Lord Varys, 17 November 2006 - 02:37 PM.
Posted 17 November 2006 - 03:41 PM
The first Targaryens who came to Dragonstone were the ones who converted. By the time Aegon and his sisters were born, the Targaryens had been worshipping the Seven for something like 200 years.
Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:05 PM
Interesting. I didn't know that. And I don't remember a passage in the books about that. Did GRRM said so? I thought it was Aegon who converted, but now I remember that the figures Stannis burned were made out of the wood of the ships that brought the Targaryens to Dragonstone.
It's rather unlikely that the figures should have been made two hundred years later from that particular wood ;-).
One thing: If GRRM says something about Aegon's forefathers it would be intersting if they were already convinced of their extraordinary blood and special role in the future (dreams etc.). They were content with Dragonstone till Aegon (or, probably, till Visenya ;-)) said GRRM recently, but their incest was an old valyrian tradition, so it would be intersting to know what kind of people they were.
And they had to breed new dragons, hadn't they? When the Doom took Valyria they came to Dragonstone without any living dragon?
Edited by Lord Varys, 17 November 2006 - 04:12 PM.
Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:50 PM
Posted 27 February 2007 - 07:31 PM
Posted 27 February 2007 - 07:40 PM
I can say that some significant movement has taken place on the artwork front, in terms of getting artists under contract and things like the number and types of maps we'll be having, and George very recently sent out a lengthy description of a certain place/person/thing to a certain artist (and us) which was enlightening to our geeky selves.
We're hoping to see initial sketches down the road, and are awaiting it with great excitement. :)
Edited by Ran, 27 February 2007 - 07:41 PM.
Posted 28 February 2007 - 05:32 AM
So up to now we've got:
-A name for the eastern continent
-One or three historical maps (a map of the pre-andalish kingdoms would make my day), and some city maps (Braavos? Oldtown? Sunspear? Perhaps also White Harbour?)
-More info on the Bleeding Years and the Grand Alliance
-A star chart, divided into the twelve houses of the heavens
-A couple of pages from the White book
-And Targaryen tree (probably complete!). That's the one i'm more eager for. Once I did this gentree for the family with all the needed unknown Targs. Any chance I'll be able to complete it?
Posted 28 February 2007 - 06:02 AM
Posted 28 February 2007 - 08:27 AM
A full Targaryen family would be awesome.
You have to login to see your tree hairy bear. Could you perhaps host it elsewhere, please ?
Posted 28 February 2007 - 10:27 AM
I always wanted to do a tree, too. Yours is pretty good. I never knew that Aegon II hat three siblings. If you are still working on it, you could add Orys Baratheon and Maelys the Monstrous. And somewhere a 3 Velaryon is missing, but I have no idea where.
Posted 28 February 2007 - 02:30 PM
There are some snippets of information sent to Amok to flesh out the background to the Dance of Dragons. In those, GRRM supplied a little family information about the chidlren of Viserys I.
Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:02 AM
I guess the information is posted somewhere in Amok's forums ? I searched but did not find it. Do you have a link ?
Posted 15 April 2007 - 04:16 PM
Posted 04 July 2007 - 05:49 AM
Posted 07 August 2007 - 07:40 AM
You know about the information posted in 'So Spake Martin' relating to Rhaenyra and the three Princesses in the Maidenvault, right?