Bringer of Rain Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Slightly crackpot.Essentially the opposite of what happened at Summerhall - Everyone thought that a dragon was going to hatch but it just turns out that it was Rhaegar being born. In this instance the Skagosi are not canibals but Cannibal the dragon actually resides there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Not the first time I've seen this idea, and it's definitely crackpot given that Cannibal, assuming what we've been led to believe about dragons' lifespans is true, is probably dead by now. But I still love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well, as I have said before to people speculating on living dragons, we have 2 reasons to refute that. First is the wildfyre guild saying new spells and stuff are working just after Danys dragons hatched, as well as the pyromancer in Qarth being able to build a ladder out of fire and climb it, and the worlocks saying their magic had returned. Second is the end of the Danaerys chapter when she hatches the dragons. To me the chapter changes to omniscient view after she steps in and we are told by GRRM "and for the first time in hundreds of years, the night was alive with the sound of dragons" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaceGardener Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well, as I have said before to people speculating on living dragons, we have 2 reasons to refute that. First is the wildfyre guild saying new spells and stuff are working just after Danys dragons hatched, as well as the pyromancer in Qarth being able to build a ladder out of fire and climb it, and the worlocks saying their magic had returned. Second is the end of the Danaerys chapter when she hatches the dragons. To me the chapter changes to omniscient view after she steps in and we are told by GRRM "and for the first time in hundreds of years, the night was alive with the sound of dragons" We have no proof that Dany's dragons hatching is the cause of magic returning to the world. I think, in fact, that it's a red herring. The decline of magic was the reason for the decline in dragons, not the other way around. The comet was the cause of magic's return, and triggered the dragons to be born. To me this makes much more sense, as the comet seemed to precipitate numerous significant events around Planetos that had nothing to do with the dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer of Rain Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Or one of Cannibals descendants as an alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We have no proof that Dany's dragons hatching is the cause of magic returning to the world. I think, in fact, that it's a red herring. The decline of magic was the reason for the decline in dragons, not the other way around. The comet was the cause of magic's return, and triggered the dragons to be born. To me this makes much more sense, as the comet seemed to precipitate numerous significant events around Planetos that had nothing to do with the dragons. Well the comet was obviously not the return of magic all together, since the WW's were already around. We also have the fact that a similar red comet was seen over kings landing the night the real Aegon was conceived by Rhaegar and Elia, some 18 years past. I don't see why this comet is any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We have no proof that Dany's dragons hatching is the cause of magic returning to the world. I think, in fact, that it's a red herring. The decline of magic was the reason for the decline in dragons, not the other way around. The comet was the cause of magic's return, and triggered the dragons to be born. To me this makes much more sense, as the comet seemed to precipitate numerous significant events around Planetos that had nothing to do with the dragons. The comet can be a red herring too. The return of magic could have happened with no warning sign at all, it just happened. I still think that dragons are a consequence, not the cause though. Back on topic, that'd be fucking awesome but I'm afraid it's too crackpot :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well the comet was obviously not the return of magic all together, since the WW's were already around. We also have the fact that a similar red comet was seen over kings landing the night the real Aegon was conceived by Rhaegar and Elia, some 18 years past. I don't see why this comet is any different. The comet was also already in the sky before the dragons hatched (the first we actually learn of it is in Bran's chapter, not Dany's). Dany takes it as validation of a decision she's already made, but it's not like the comet suddenly appeared as soon as the dragons hatched, or as if the comet wouldn't still have been there if Dany hadn't hatched the dragons. I think people place way too much causal emphasis on the dragons/comet when if anything they're correlational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I think it would have been noticed if there was a dragon on Skagos. Besides, according to WOIAF, they know what happened to Netty and Sheepstealer years after the Dance. I think Sheepstealer is likely dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I think it would have been noticed if there was a dragon Skagos. Besides, according to WOIAF, they know what happened to Netty and Sheepstealer years after the Dance. I think Sheepstealer is likely dead. That would be the first I've heard of that. What happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 man if cannibal was alive that would be epic but why wouldn't he be on dragonstone though i mean it seems like a mecca to the Targ dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 That would be the first I've heard of that. What happens? It isn't mentioned what happens to here, just that they knew what happene years later. I think we may find out in the main series. One theory is that the skeleton of the dragon that Rakharo found on his ride at Vaes Tolorro in ACoK is actually the bones of Sheepstealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 assuming what we've been led to believe about dragons' lifespans is true, is probably dead by now Balerion lived to 200+ with unknown cause of death (potential to live even longer) Cannibal's age in ~130 is unknown. What other info do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 That would be really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Balerion lived to 200+ with unknown cause of death (potential to live even longer) Cannibal's age in ~130 is unknown. What other info do you have?We know he died of old age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Balerion lived to 200+ with unknown cause of death (potential to live even longer) Cannibal's age in ~130 is unknown. What other info do you have? GRRM said on his blog that Balerion had died of old age. Which gives ~200 as a logical upper threshold to work with, especially since, barring info about other healthy dragons who may have died of natural causes (e.g. Silverwing or Sheepstealer), Balerion is pretty much the only example we have. Even if Cannibal had been a hatchling in 130 AL, which obviously he wasn't, he'd still be pushing 170. His age isn't given in the novella because no one knows how old he is, but that actually speaks to him being of a decently advanced age even then: If the people at that time didn't know how old he was, it means that in their living memory he hadn't hatched or developed rapidly as a young dragon. Ergo it isn't illogical to assume that Cannibal would have, by now, reached the age Balerion was when he died, and probably then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 imagine a Rickon tantrum with a dragon attached to it, Oh My Multiple Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Cannibal would be around 250 now.As to the Worldbook news about Sheepstealer. It doesn't say they knew what happened to it, it just says they knew where Sheepstealer went.That could be as small a fact as hearing of dragon sightings in Braavos or at the Wall or wherever. And it doesn't mean that the dragon could not have vanished again after that point.And besides, that was Sheepstealer, notCannibal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I liked us more when we were trying to find secret Targs, not secret dragons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I was crackpoting this for a bit too, so I've looked into it, largely motivated because of the name Cannibal, but also because Skagos means 'stone' in the old tongue. Waking dragons from Stone would be very convenient, not to mention Cannibal is a big black bastard, and that would fit Jon pretty well with all the dark wing imagery. It does have a few things in favor of it though. No one goes to Skagos, like ever. Even the most experienced sailors avoid it, Skagos also has remote mountainous(volcanic?) regions.. I realize Rickon is likely headed there, but that seems purely to pull a POV to that island. As far as we know Skagos does not have much to offer except a few small houses untouched by the war thus far. Hardly seems worth the trouble unless... The problems being that we would expect someone to have seen a dragon even on this remote island, even with those remote mountainous region. The biggest one in my opinion is that unless dragons can hibernate(volcanic cave?) or whatever I can't foresee a dragon becoming accustomed to such cold weather based on the behavior we've seen so far. That really sucks about Sheepstealer though, if true. With Unicorns essentially being sheep, and Cannibals on the island it just seems so convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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