The Agency of Sansa Stark Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Will we get any of this in the World of Ice and Fire?I find The history of the North to be very interesting, I've been hoping there will be some info on this somehow underrated rivalry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'd like to know more about this too. I'd specially like geting info from the times the Boltons were kings: who were their bannermen and how their wars with the Starks were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fourth Head Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 i think we will get answers soon. my crackpot- that the boltons thrive in winter when human sacrifice is needed to provide (sorry!) food. the keeping of traditions may well prove pivotal. the starks lost the initiative when they became too civilised during summer, forgot the old way and their king at the time didn't have the stomach to sacrifice a person to a weirwood come winter and to feast on them. they stopped acknowedging this fundamental law of nature, everyone got desperate, starving, dying, and being executed increasingly for illegal unsanctioned cannibalism and another Stark stepped up, overthrew his King / perhaps his brother? to ensure everyone else could survive. From there, when winter ended, this usurping Stark was castigated / condemned as a savage / Kinslayer, and fled to his home fort as a friendlier heir a more publically acceptable stark with clean hands retook the crown in summer. From there, the balance of power shifts depending on how bad winter gets and how desperate the North becomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Agency of Sansa Stark Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Bump! Anybody know for sure?Thanks! Lotta views we need firm answers ppl !! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Most likely, since the book should contain at least a chapter about House Stark.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If the book covers the conquest of the North through House Stark, the Boltons should feature rather heavily, considering that they are the major rivals of House Stark for supremacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Seamus Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 i think we will get answers soon. my crackpot- that the boltons thrive in winter when human sacrifice is needed to provide (sorry!) food. the keeping of traditions may well prove pivotal. the starks lost the initiative when they became too civilised during summer, forgot the old way and their king at the time didn't have the stomach to sacrifice a person to a weirwood come winter and to feast on them. they stopped acknowedging this fundamental law of nature, everyone got desperate, starving, dying, and being executed increasingly for illegal unsanctioned cannibalism and another Stark stepped up, overthrew his King / perhaps his brother? to ensure everyone else could survive. From there, when winter ended, this usurping Stark was castigated / condemned as a savage / Kinslayer, and fled to his home fort as a friendlier heir a more publically acceptable stark with clean hands retook the crown in summer. From there, the balance of power shifts depending on how bad winter gets and how desperate the North becomes. Some of the details about cannibalism are probably crackpot, but I've been saying for a long time that the practice of human sacrifice is some kind of critical factor in the central mysteries of the story, relating to the history of the Starks' relationship with the COTF and the Others, the first men, the wall, the NW, the night's king, etc. so basically I agree. I think you're right that there's something dark and savage relating to the Starks in the deep history, and part of the explanation for what's happening now has to do with the Starks' being more civilized, turning their backs on some fundamental element of nature and super-nature that requires blood and sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Queen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Some of the details about cannibalism are probably crackpot, but I've been saying for a long time that the practice of human sacrifice is some kind of critical factor in the central mysteries of the story, relating to the history of the Starks' relationship with the COTF and the Others, the first men, the wall, the NW, the night's king, etc. so basically I agree. I think you're right that there's something dark and savage relating to the Starks in the deep history, and part of the explanation for what's happening now has to do with the Starks' being more civilized, turning their backs on some fundamental element of nature and super-nature that requires blood and sacrifice. I'm leaning towards something along those lines as well. There's a reason blood sacrifice was mentioned (and shown in Bran's vision) so often through Dance, along with cannibalism. IMO it's probably on par with Mel's burning people and "only death may pay for life". That's why I'm more open to the possibility that Jon, if he's dead (I don't think he is), being resurrected by a blood sacrifice by a northerner rather than something Mel does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Boltons were probably Starks at first til they realized they got the short end of the stick . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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