The King in Black Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 A shmuck I'm engaged in a battle of wits with says BOTH love and hate for him would've gone down, while i say both would've remained UNCHANGED. Now i need evidence whether you would have liked or hated Tywin more/less if he were a woman and commited the same deeds (good and bad all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Ambar Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 (S)He would have been hated just as much (tysha agrees with me) but liked much less (much of his appeal is just machoism) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in Black Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 (A)(S)He would have been hated just as much (tysha agrees with me) (B ) but liked much less (much of his appeal is just machoism) (A) i agree. That was my reason too ( B ) that's not true at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireAndBlood. Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Tyrion would be loathed if he were female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Tywin were a woman, he wouldn't be Tywin. Id think "he" was a huge bitch who had good political sense and battle strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I don't think that love or hatred would have remained unchanged. Though I dunno how it would be affected overall in favor or against him. This isn't a precise thing. Like it or not gender matters to at least a group of people so it would be affected. So you would have like with Cersei some people who would justify Tywin from bullshit pseudo-feminist grounds. And criticize criticism against him as disliking women in power. This support will probably even be bigger than Cersei's considering Tywin's intelligence. But maybe it will inspire some less sympathy from others. Either way it wouldn't remain unchanged but overall he would still be a character that a lot of people dislike due to his (her) actions. So the overall result despite changes will be similar. But it will probably inspire bigger threads. As for me personally I highly dislike Tywin now and that wouldn't change if he was female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'd hate Tywin regardless of gender. If he was a woman he'd basically be a smart and efficient Cersei. Or a much less likeable Olenna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Tywin were a woman, he wouldn't be Tywin. Id think "he" was a huge bitch who had good political sense and battle strategy I would have loved it! I was hoping Cersei would be a Tywin, instead of what she turned out to be. There's a lack of powerful, smart women in the novels. I love Olenna, who comes close, but isn't given enough space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Of The Night Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Femwin would have never have risen to the level of power in Westeros that Tywin did... Tywin lead armies and was Hand of the King, Femwin would have to manipulate her husband in all these matters.She would be hated still by the readership, but would be an interesting character, especially compared to Cersei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 We know how Tywin would be if he was a woman; like Olenna. I really like him, sure he was cruel yada yada yada but I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickrs Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well Femwyn wouldn't the head of House Lannister, that would be Kevan, unless in this scenario Tytos fathered 5 girls.Anyways, she would probably marry Stanford, that would be de jure the true head, but he didn't sounded pretty bright, so Femwyn would do most of the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu the Drowned God Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 FemTywin wouldn't make any sense. Kevan would be the lawful head of House Lannister over her; she couldn't lose her spouse due to childbirth and hate Tyrion for it; and I don't see Aerys choosing a woman for Hand of the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would have liked them more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Twyin's actions'd be more undestandable to me if he were a woman, actually. The incessant need to not be laughed at, to be feared and respected would be much sympathetic in a world where women are seen as second class citizens. And it'd completely change the Tyrion/Tywin dynamic and Cersei's character and... ASoIaF is not a work where you can flippantly flip genders without changing motives and characterisation and reader reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belomor Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 We already have Olenna, why do we need another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I would hate Tywina but have respect for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well seeing as how he/she would have had no power he/she couldn't have really done anything to make us hate her/him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Tywin would have been less effective were he a woman in Westeros, so that would reduce his significance. He has never been a figure of love or hate to me, barely human...just a force, and he would thus be just a diminished force in the event some of his power were taken away. (Show Tywin v. different, not in terms of content, just in terms of interest. dance's performance/charisma completely amplified his personality without changing it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Tywin had been a woman, I can see him/her trying to seduce Aerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 If Tywin had been a woman, I can see him/her trying to seduce Aerys.With or without mutton chops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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