voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Assuming Aegon is Elia's son, there's no need for him to married Arianne, it would be a waste of a potential marriage to another great house alliance like the North or Tyrells. Aegon gain nothing by marrying Arianne, Doran is his uncle and Arianne her cousin, so Dorne would never go another side than his. So i think that's why he will not accept the mariage with Arianne, and will seek a better alliance. If Tommen die, I think either Sansa or Margery is going to seat on the IT with Aegon until Dany's invasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-26dp Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Assuming Aegon is Elia's son... That's a big assumption. For someone for whom many folks will take convincing isn't an imposter, getting the Martell's stamp of approval would be a huge boon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordToo-Fat-to-Sit-a-Horse Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Family links are important as long as those people are actually close.. Aegon and house Martell don´t even know each other.. He can´t expect them to go to war just because he claims to be doran´s nephew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Family links are important as long as those people are actually close.. Aegon and house Martell don´t even know each other.. He can´t expect them to go to war just because he claims to be doran´s nephew. Aegon is Elia's son, his mother was a Dornish princess who was raped and murdered by the family who sit on the Iron Throne, If the Martells don't support the son of Elia and a family member, i don't know who else they would support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordToo-Fat-to-Sit-a-Horse Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Aegon is Elia's son, his mother was a Dornish princess who was raped and murdered by the family who sit on the Iron Throne, If the Martells don't support the son of Elia and a family member, i don't know who else they would support. Or so he says. It all depends on how close these people are.. Being family means nothing if there is no link.. they don´t know each other.. how can anyone expect one party to risk everything for the other? Exactly. Who willl? House martell is in a great position to extract consessions from the king. If they don´t support him, Who will? Dany is the best option when it comes to a marriage that grants him legitimacy.. she is the only undisputable targaryen.. IF she marries him then of course Aegon must be who he claims to be.. But soon the news of dany´s death will arrive westeros. At that point Arianne becomes the second best .. By marrying his cousin he gets legitimacy. the random lord of westeros will see that his "family" supports him, he must be legit, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 That's a big assumption. For someone for whom many folks will take convincing isn't an imposter, getting the Martell's stamp of approval would be a huge boon. No one except Dany would know that Aegon is an imposter, Jon Connington and Varys are on his side, I don't think nobody will doubt the word of someone who was Rhaegar personal friend and loyalist. What proof the common folks have that he's fake. His story is very plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Or so he says. It all depends on how close these people are.. Being family means nothing if there is no link.. they don´t know each other.. how can anyone expect one party to risk everything for the other? Exactly. Who willl? House martell is in a great position to extract consessions from the king. If they don´t support him, Who will? Dany is the best option when it comes to a marriage that grants him legitimacy.. she is the only undisputable targaryen.. IF she marries him then of course Aegon must be who he claims to be.. But soon the news of dany´s death will arrive westeros. At that point Arianne becomes the second best .. By marrying his cousin he gets legitimacy. the random lord of westeros will see that his "family" supports him, he must be legit, right? The Martells have no connection to Dany, and i don't think the Martells care more about the Targs than any other great house, the only thing they want is revenge for Elia. I don't see them taking side with Dany against a family member, Doran and Oberyn was very close to Elia, maybe some families don't care about family bond, but for the Martells that's everything, Doran still hold grudge after 14 years, that means something. Their final plan is revenge for their family's lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 One thing is for sure, when news of Quentyn's death by dragonfire. The Martells and Dorne in general will go into a frenzy. Aegon, will get their support one way or the other but marrying Arianne would be folly and shortsighted and selfish of her, which makes it a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Or so he says. It all depends on how close these people are.. Being family means nothing if there is no link.. they don´t know each other.. how can anyone expect one party to risk everything for the other? Exactly. Who willl? House martell is in a great position to extract consessions from the king. If they don´t support him, Who will? Dany is the best option when it comes to a marriage that grants him legitimacy.. she is the only undisputable targaryen.. IF she marries him then of course Aegon must be who he claims to be.. But soon the news of dany´s death will arrive westeros. At that point Arianne becomes the second best .. By marrying his cousin he gets legitimacy. the random lord of westeros will see that his "family" supports him, he must be legit, right? But if they believe Aegon is the real Aegon, he does not need the marriage to get their support. If they do not believe Aegon to be the real Aegon, they would not agree to the marriage at all. So what is the point of the marriage? I don't get it. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Family links are important as long as those people are actually close.. Aegon and house Martell don´t even know each other.. He can´t expect them to go to war just because he claims to be doran´s nephew. If Aegon is able to prove he is in fact Elia's son, then it's all they need to make an alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 No one except Dany would know that Aegon is an imposter, Jon Connington and Varys are on his side, I don't think nobody will doubt the word of someone who was Rhaegar personal friend and loyalist. What proof the common folks have that he's fake. His story is very plausible. What do you mean by Dany would know that Aegon is an impostor? Dany likely would believe he is an impostor (as do I), but how can she "know" it or "prove" it? Or did you simply mean she would be the only one who would argue that Aegon is an impostor? Well, certainly, the Lannisters/Baratheons likely will argue he is an impostor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 One thing is for sure, when news of Quentyn's death by dragonfire. The Martells and Dorne in general will go into a frenzy. Aegon, will get their support one way or the other but marrying Arianne would be folly and shortsighted and selfish of her, which makes it a real possibility. agree, but Quentyn's death or not, Aegon has a better claim than Dany, and i believe the fact he's Elia's son will be very important for the Martells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, certainly, the Lannisters/Baratheons likely will argue he is an impostor. They are already. I think we're ignoring and important fact. There must be something that Varys has to prove Aegon's legitimacy: an argument, an object, a letter, something fake or something real. Anything. And I doubt if Blackfyre because the sword could have been gotten from the GC and given to an impostor. With that in mind, it will be impossible to prove Aegon is not real, except with DNA which Westeros doesn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 What do you mean by Dany would know that Aegon is an impostor? Dany likely would believe he is an impostor (as do I), but how can she "know" it or "prove" it? Or did you simply mean she would be the only one who would argue that Aegon is an impostor? Well, certainly, the Lannisters/Baratheons likely will argue he is an impostor. The Lannisters will only argue he's imposter for the sake of Tommen, and the Baratheon's for the sake of Stannis' claim on the Throne, not because they really believe he's really a fake one or have any proof on that matter. Dany will be the only one who really believe (you're right i should have said believe instead of know) that Aegon is an imposter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Assuming Aegon is Elia's son, there's no need for him to married Arianne, it would be a waste of a potential marriage to another great house alliance like the North or Tyrells. Aegon gain nothing by marrying Arianne, Doran is his uncle and Arianne her cousin, so Dorne would never go another side than his. So i think that's why he will not accept the mariage with Arianne, and will seek a better alliance. If Tommen die, I think either Sansa or Margery is going to seat on the IT with Aegon until Dany's invasion. Indeed, if Aegon is truly Elia's son (and Doran believes it), then a marriage to Arianne is not necessary to make an alliance. However, though there are plenty of people who are thinking/hoping/expecting such a marriage, there are no textual hints (yet) for such a match in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 They are already. I think we're ignoring and important fact. There must be something that Varys has to prove Aegon's legitimacy: an argument, an object, a letter, something fake or something real. Anything. And I doubt if Blackfyre because the sword could have been gotten from the GC and given to an impostor. With that in mind, it will be impossible to prove Aegon is not real, except with DNA which Westeros doesn't have. I agree that Varys probably has something up his sleeve. But it might just be that he expects things will get so bad that people will accept YG as Aegon out of desperation. I have been meaning to ask, is that YG running across your beard in your avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voltron Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 They are already. I think we're ignoring and important fact. There must be something that Varys has to prove Aegon's legitimacy: an argument, an object, a letter, something fake or something real. Anything. And I doubt if Blackfyre because the sword could have been gotten from the GC and given to an impostor. With that in mind, it will be impossible to prove Aegon is not real, except with DNA which Westeros doesn't have. And the fact that nobody can't really certified that the dead baby was really Aegon make it impossible to say he's fake. Jon, Varys, the GC, blackfyre sword, and the Targaryen's look are enough proofs for him and the majority of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chebyshov Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 However, though there are plenty of people who are thinking/hoping/expecting such a marriage, there are no textual hints (yet) for such a match in the first place. Yup. Arianne's "mission" laid out in her sample chapter is largely misconstrued here. I agree the marriage isn't going down, mostly because it only exists in the minds of theory-crafters. And that's not even touching the fact that such a marriage would be in conflict with what we know of Arianne's motivations and desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaraeyne Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Assuming Aegon is Elia's son, there's no need for him to married Arianne, it would be a waste of a potential marriage to another great house alliance like the North or Tyrells. Aegon gain nothing by marrying Arianne, Doran is his uncle and Arianne her cousin, so Dorne would never go another side than his. Good point. Prince Doran said himself that he would be overjoyed if any part of Elia was still alive. He's been working on the downfall of Tywin Lannister forever to avenge Elia. If Doran can somehow confirm for himself that Aegon is who he says he is, prince Doran will most likely support him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I agree that Varys probably has something up his sleeve. But it might just be that he expects things will get so bad that people will accept YG as Aegon out of desperation. I have been meaning to ask, is that YG running across your beard in your avatar? yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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