Kharn Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is it not common for the lannisters of the westerlands to be named anything starting with 'Ty' ?Why would Tywin name his favored son Jaime a name not associated with lannister or the wetserlands....yet name his hated son TYrion in the more 'noble' manner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoalover1956 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ty- is common, but so are names with a soft j sound: Joanna, Genna, Gerion, Janei. Ty- might not necessarily be more noble that G/J names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Stannis Laughed Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Mayhaps Joanna already had it picked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Tyrion was named after Tyrion the Tormentor, who was just about as pleasant as his moniker suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 "Ty" names are not better than other Lannister names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiman83 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Tyrion was named after Tyrion the Tormentor, who was just about as pleasant as his moniker suggests. Or maybe he was named after the valyrian city called Tyria? I'm not joking, there really is a city called Tyria: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/b/b0/Valyria_Adwd_map.jpg It is on the shores of the Smoking Sea, right across from Oros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Or maybe he was named after the valyrian city called Tyria? I'm not joking, there really is a city called Tyria: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/b/b0/Valyria_Adwd_map.jpg It is on the shores of the Smoking Sea, right across from Oros.Anything is possible but it would make no sense if Tywin (because GRRM said Tywin did indeed name Tyrion) named Tyrion after a Valyrian city he never visited or maybe didn't even know about. It would make a lot of sense, on the other hand, to name the dwarf son that killed his mother after Tyrion the Tormentor, a Westerlands king known for his cruelty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Let's see. Tywin, Kevan, Tygett, Gerion. Kevan's sons: Lancel, Willem, Martyn. OK, so Tys are overrepresented, but not omnipresent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Jaime could very well be a variation to Jason (both with the Ja-). Jason was Joanna's father. And Tywin loved Joanna. If she wanted to pick out the names, it is possible that Tywin would not refuse her. So should she pick Jaime and Cersei for her twins, Tywin would not object. And should she have chosen Tyrion for her second child, Tywin might have just been honouring her last whishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 And Tywin loved Joanna. If she wanted to pick out the names, it is possible that Tywin would not refuse her. So should she pick Jaime and Cersei for her twins, Tywin would not object. And should she have chosen Tyrion for her second child, Tywin might have just been honouring her last whishes. Joanna most certainly did not choose Tyrion's name. It was well-known that Tyrion "liked to make women bleed". That fits Tywin's opinion of him to a T, but no woman loving her son would name him after a guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Joanna most certainly did not choose Tyrion's name. It was well-known that Tyrion "liked to make women bleed". That fits Tywin's opinion of him to a T, but no woman loving her son would name him after a guy like that.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is it not common for the lannisters of the westerlands to be named anything starting with 'Ty' ?Why would Tywin name his favored son Jaime a name not associated with lannister or the wetserlands....yet name his hated son TYrion in the more 'noble' manner ? From the History of the Westerlands reading the Ty names seem to be more few and far between in the pre-Targaryen era of kings. There are three or four Tyrions mentioned and a Tybolt, but there are many more Loriens, Lancels, Gerolds, Tommens, etc. Then in the Targaryen era there is Tymond, Tyland, Tybolt, Tytos, Tywin, etc. Out of Tytos' sons, two have Ty names and two do not. Out of Tytos and his brothers, two have Ty names and two do not. Out of Tytos' father and uncle, one had a Ty name and the other does not. Their father did not have a Ty name. Around the Dance of the Dragons the Lord was named Jason and his twin brother Tyland. Prior to them was Lord Tymond. Prior to him there is a Lord Lyman. And the lord at the time of the conquest was Loren. So I don't think it is all that unusual for one of Tywin's sons not to have a Ty name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 From the History of the Westerlands reading the Ty names seem to be more few and far between in the pre-Targaryen era of kings. There are three or four Tyrions mentioned and a Tybolt, but there are many more Loriens, Lancels, Gerolds, Tommens, etc. Then in the Targaryen era there is Tymond, Tyland, Tybolt, Tytos, Tywin, etc. Out of Tytos' sons, two have Ty names and two do not. Out of Tytos and his brothers, two have Ty names and two do not. Out of Tytos' father and uncle, one had a Ty name and the other does not. Their father did not have a Ty name. Around the Dance of the Dragons the Lord was named Jason and his twin brother Tyland. Prior to them was Lord Tymond. Prior to him there is a Lord Lyman. And the lord at the time of the conquest was Loren. So I don't think it is all that unusual for one of Tywin's sons not to have a Ty name. I kind of agree. it seems the Ty-names came with a later fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Joanna most certainly did not choose Tyrion's name. It was well-known that Tyrion "liked to make women bleed". That fits Tywin's opinion of him to a T, but no woman loving her son would name him after a guy like that. That was not the only Tyrion in the Lannister history. How do you know she wasn't naming him after one of the nice ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What I want to know is how Tysha fits into all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 What I want to know is how Tysha fits into all of this. She's from the Westerlands, and there are multiple people in the Westerlands naming their children with Ty-, or literally after Lannisters, probably in order to gain favor with House Lannister, should that ever come up.. It can only be usefull to use such a tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That was not the only Tyrion in the Lannister history. How do you know she wasn't naming him after one of the nice ones? Yes, he was Tyrion IV. Or Tyrion III, who was as nasty and only a short time earlier. After those two assholes, there is a suspicious absence of any more Tyrions - right up until current Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yes, he was Tyrion IV. Or Tyrion III, who was as nasty and only a short time earlier. After those two assholes, there is a suspicious absence of any more Tyrions - right up until current Tyrion. He was Tyrion II, and there was still Tyrion III during the times of Andal invasion and then who knows how much more Tyrions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 She's from the Westerlands, and there are multiple people in the Westerlands naming their children with Ty-, or literally after Lannisters, probably in order to gain favor with House Lannister, should that ever come up.. It can only be usefull to use such a tactic. Yes, but what if she was a Lannister bastard? Wouldn't that have tweaked Tywin's nose even more than her low birth? I doubt her parents were high enough up to think giving their kid a Ty- name would curry favor with House Lannister. Can't remember what her father did. He wasn't a miller, was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yes, he was Tyrion IV. Or Tyrion III, who was as nasty and only a short time earlier. After those two assholes, there is a suspicious absence of any more Tyrions - right up until current Tyrion. He was Tyrion II, and there was still Tyrion III during the times of Andal invasion and then who knows how much more Tyrions. Which still leaves my question unanswered. Is there any actual textual evidence that he was named after the "bad" King(s) Tyrion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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