Fat Mac Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Just want to gauge general opinion on what people see happening with the Boltons come Winds of Winter. So, just general thoughts. Will both Boltons die? Just one? Neither? Personally, I can see Ramsay dying much easier than I can see Roose dying at this juncture in the story. Ramsay's dumber, is actually isolated in terms of allies (no lords like him, and all of his men are actually Roose's spies), and even Reeks been lost. Plus, I see Roose having much greater significance to the overall story. If the Boltons have any supernatural connection, be it with the Others or something else, Roose would be the one to know about it, not Ramsay. I see Stannis winning the battle, Ramsay dying in it, and Roose making an escape somehow. But that's just me. Follow up question- If a Bolton does survive, what will be his further role in the story? All inputs welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Rock Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The Bolton's serve no purpose to the story except to be beaten by Stannis (or the Stark's). I think the Bolton's will be defeated and banished from the north. Ramsay will possibly survive and assassinate Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think at least one of them will survive the Battle of Winterfell, and my money is on Roose I think his next role will be fodder for Rickon/Jon/Sansa or whoever leads the second wave of attack against the Boltons, once Stannis fails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingmonkey Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm vaguely expecting Roose to die first. Having Ramsay take over and make a horrible mess of Bolton scheming for a while seems like a GRRMish thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Vaes Tolorro Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If Stannis is anything like Robert, they will be dead before the Manderly can exact his revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I expect Ramsay to die but Roose to live, at least through the battle of WF Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if Roose and his men marched south whilst Ramsay and his ilk march against Stan Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visenya Stark Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I want to see a Battle of the Bastards, Snow vs. Snow. But that's just wishful thinking on my part. Ramsay will probably die early in Winds. Hopefully Theon will kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 They survive most certainly, one of them at least, most likely Roose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Just want to gauge general opinion on what people see happening with the Boltons come Winds of Winter. So, just general thoughts. Will both Boltons die? Just one? Neither? Personally, I can see Ramsay dying much easier than I can see Roose dying at this juncture in the story. Ramsay's dumber, is actually isolated in terms of allies (no lords like him, and all of his men are actually Roose's spies), and even Reeks been lost. Plus, I see Roose having much greater significance to the overall story. If the Boltons have any supernatural connection, be it with the Others or something else, Roose would be the one to know about it, not Ramsay. I see Stannis winning the battle, Ramsay dying in it, and Roose making an escape somehow. But that's just me. Follow up question- If a Bolton does survive, what will be his further role in the story? All inputs welcome. I'm wondering if one of the Boltons doesn't become the Night's King? Perhaps Ramsay. I don't think Roose Bolton would bother to march on the Wall but Ramsay has no discipline and is positively evil. I've never forgotten Nan's old story about the Night's King. She said a lot of people said it was a Bolton, but it wasn't, it was a Stark of Winterfell. Oddly enough, the Boltons are at Winterfell now. I find that just too coincidental not to at least peruse a bit. I believe the Starks will retake Winterfell, whether its Rickon or Sansa or Arya (doubtful) . The Boltons may survive, but if they do it will be as a lesser house, stripped of much of their powers and lands and incomes. The flayed man sigil will be taken away from them. Either that or they will be utterly destroyed outright for their treachery against Robb and Winterfell. Maybe Rickon will let them clean up Shaggy Dog's scat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm vaguely expecting Roose to die first. Having Ramsay take over and make a horrible mess of Bolton scheming for a while seems like a GRRMish thing to do. :agree: I wanna see Ramsay eaten by a direwolf (s) eventually though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 :agree: I wanna see Ramsay eaten by a direwolf (s) eventually though. Ripped apart slowly by Stark direwolves.........even better. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralKyrd Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think too many people assume Stannis winning Winterfell as a forgone conclusion. Usually when GRRM makes you believe something... that's when he gets you. I imagine Stannis will end up taking the field against the Freys, but flounder in actually taking Winterfell, and the Boltons live on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ripped apart slowly by Stark direwolves.........even better. :cheers: Yeh Stark direwolves are the only direwolves in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Shaggy and Ghost teaming up? Although I'd like Ghost to stay away from Ramsay's bitches. But then again, maybe someone will take those out before a wolf gets near them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I would expect Roose to die first, and Ramsay to die later through some poetic justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squab Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is the rest of the manderly (or some other) army east of winterfell? That would be roose's only worry, surely. Leave manderlys, freys and stannis to sort their stuff out and dwindle their numbers, flee east while thats going on towards home, leave ramsay as a sacrife to appease northmen if he loses or to keep winterfell if he doesnt. He'll have ravens flying south asking for help from the freys and lannisters and if he gets none and loses winterfell, he's holed up in his home for the winter with most of his force in tact and an opportunity to parley later if things die down. Stannis might try to siege him out and take his head but it'll be hard without melisandre there and during winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 No. They and the Bolton line likely ends there, unless Stannis is kind enough to allow Walda's child to inherit the Dreadfort. There is no real way to avoid this. If they retreat to the Dreadfort it's only a matter of time. There is no help coming north. There are no more manpower pools. It's a victory at Winterfell or having Bolton guts decorate a heart tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu the Drowned God Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think they're both going to die soon. There's no point in drawing the Boltons' defeat out, especially with how much ground the story's already going to have to cover in the last two books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGpanther Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Shaggy and Ghost teaming up? Although I'd like Ghost to stay away from Ramsay's bitches. But then again, maybe someone will take those out before a wolf gets near them. Ghost would tear the bitches to pieces but yeh when Shaggy (hopefully) reappears all kinds of shit is hitting the fan. Nymeria and her pack is another option but geographly unlikely ATM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Coat of Gold Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The Boltons winning before Stannis' sellswords arrive seem likely. Stannis won't sit the throne and it's time his pretensions were ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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