WardofWinterfell Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Could Daenerys be a bastard? In chapter 67 of ADWD, Ser Barristan is pondering Dany's appeance and is quoted "Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara's daughter..." Ashara is the sister of Arthur Dayne, captain of Aerys II kingsgaurd. Barristan loved Ashara and served with Arthur. Could Queen Rhaella have had a Arthur as a lover while Aerys was decending into madness near the end. It is written in chapter 16 of AFFC that they slept in different beds and Aerys only came to her room after he burned somebody. This may be a long shot, but I do find it odd that GRRM would add the quote about Dany's apperance and the very end of ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 The same idea struck me a couple of hours ago, before seeing this.GRRM has implied we'll more about Arthur Dayne and his response towards Mad King's crazy reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bastard with a harp Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 We really need TWOW to be out asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rozemarijn Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Wasn't she born exactly nine months after that one night when Rhaella got all the bruises?She also had a fling before she got married but that was a knight from the stormlands, not Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oramami Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 We really need TWOW to be out asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Yes. There is a small little mini petite chance that she's not Aerys' father daughter.But... what purpose would it serve to the story? No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Yes. There is a small little mini petite chance that she's not Aerys' father. But... what purpose would it serve to the story? No one. Aerys's daughter. What is your display pic supposed to mean? I can't get my mind off innuendos related to JC <3 R If Aerys isn't het father, the thing Jorah and Barristan tells about her in figurative way actially becomes literal. She is Rhaegar's sister, not her father's daughter. Other than that, no immediate help in moving Dany's story forward, but it adds colors to Arthur Dayne's otherwise spotless life. Remember Arianne making Arys Oakhart conspire to make Myrcella the queen, with the promise that if Myrcella becomes queen, she will let Arys marry Arianne? We know Rhaegar was planning rebellion against his father. Rhaella loved Ser Bonifer Hasty, the Holy-Hundred fame and current castellan of Harrenhal. But that was so long ago, before Aerys became mad. May be she tried to find solace in another man after all the torture she's been put to by Aerys? Only downside I see is Ser Arthur must be around 15 years younger than Rhaella. (Since Arthur was younger than Edric's father). But seeing Osney's relationship with Cersei, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Aerys's daughter. What is your display pic supposed to mean? I can't get my mind off innuendos related to JC <3 R LOL, daughter. It's... it's late... ! And it's their lovechild, Aegon. That will be tWoW plottwist :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Well, I'd like the irony if half the population of this birthright-afflicted land wasn't child of who they are thought to be.Daenerys being Arthur Dayne's, Jon being Rhaegar's, "Aegon" being Illyrio's, the Lannister being Aerys's, Sweet Rob being Baelish's, Tommen being the only one alive descending from Aerys the Mad... It would be funny. Maybe even a bit too much. But hey, we could have been thaught a lesson all the way long, about not taking too seriously the hair colour as a way to determinate parental ties and starting civil wars out of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tyrion XX Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Yes. There is a small little mini petite chance that she's not Aerys' father. But... what purpose would it serve to the story? No one.It may be a small chance, but I hope she is Aery's father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rozemarijn Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 It may be a small chance, but I hope she is Aery's father.It would be a very dragon thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Could Daenerys be a bastard? In chapter 67 of ADWD, Ser Barristan is pondering Dany's appeance and is quoted "Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara's daughter..." Ashara is the sister of Arthur Dayne, captain of Aerys II kingsgaurd. Barristan loved Ashara and served with Arthur. Could Queen Rhaella have had a Arthur as a lover while Aerys was decending into madness near the end. It is written in chapter 16 of AFFC that they slept in different beds and Aerys only came to her room after he burned somebody. This may be a long shot, but I do find it odd that GRRM would add the quote about Dany's apperance and the very end of ADWD. Arthur Dayne went missing with Rhaegar shortly before the Rebellion began, and was found roughly a year later at the Tower of Joy. He had been with Rhaegar, as he had been Rhaegars guard, and Rhaegar had not set foot in the capitol for quite some time. And when he finally did, it seems he did not take Dayne with him. So Rhaella and Dayne were not anywhere near each other in the year before Daenerys´ conception. No, she´s not Arthur´s bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WardofWinterfell Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Arthur Dayne went missing with Rhaegar shortly before the Rebellion began, and was found roughly a year later at the Tower of Joy. He had been with Rhaegar, as he had been Rhaegars guard, and Rhaegar had not set foot in the capitol for quite some time. And when he finally did, it seems he did not take Dayne with him. So Rhaella and Dayne were not anywhere near each other in the year before Daenerys´ conception. No, she´s not Arthur´s bastard. The timeline was what I really hadn't grasped. When Rhaella went to Dragonstone, she was freshly conceived, so she had nine months there before the birth. Since Dayne and Rhaegar were close companions, he may not have been around like you say, which would then squash this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 We really need TWOW to be out asap Yes we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 She is not Arthur's daughter. That or Arthur's member was half a continent long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBranRickon Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 MayShe is not Arthur's daughter. That or Arthur's member was half a continent long.Maybe Ser Arthur is related to the Plumms :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgf Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 R+L=D? I'm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon has three heads Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Yeah there's. Pretty plausible you tube theory on R + L = D and A+B = J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amris Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yeah there's. Pretty plausible you tube theory on R + L = D and A+B = J I like the idea and have played with it myself but the one issue I have with it is: Why would Ned take Jon away from Ashara? Jon wouldn't have been in any danger there if he was Brandon's and Ashara's. So no real reason. And does Ned strike us as the type to take a baby away from his loving mother without a very good reason? To the OP: Instead of questioning who Dany's father is we can also question who is the mother. The Rhaella story may be true or not - the last living witness was Viserys and we know from AGOT that Dany has all her knowledge about her supposed parentage from him. It is explicitly stated in AGOT that she herself has no memories of her parents and family at all (hardly suprising :P). Viserys might have been telling the story true - or not. So instead of Arthur Dayne and Rhaella one might also think of Aerys II and Ashara or Rhaegar and Ashara. Problem is its all pure speculation since we have nothing to go on except for Dany's and Ashara's similar looks and a little fishiness about the stories of Dany's birth. Nothing that really is any kind of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yeah there's. Pretty plausible you tube theory on R + L = D and A+B = J How about, R + L = J + D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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