larastone Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Who do you guys believe is the most complex villain......and ALSO which villain, do you think that GRRM intends to be the most complex in the story?? Because I think that's an important distinction. Because with certain characters, I feel that there's a difference with how complex GRRM sees them and then the fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMissTyrell Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Roose Bolton is a complex character, I think he is the most complex character in the Story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireGhost Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Varys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoIaF Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I think perhaps Varys. His motivations are complicated. He isn't "bad" just to be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueylouis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I believe one of the stark kids could end up being a villain, and I feel like they are all pretty complex characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 So far, Tywin/Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larastone Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I don't think Varys is meant to be a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'd also say Tywin I don't think POV characters can really be considered "villains" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHouseHB Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Jon Snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I think perhaps Varys. His motivations are complicated. He isn't "bad" just to be bad. Agree with Varys, but I wouldn't even call him "bad". With LF is easy, because everything he has done is either because he wanted to troll, get even, climb higher or feeling himself a master mind. Those are definitely very selfish reasons. If, at the end, (let's just pretend it), Aegon succeeds and he remains King, ruling for decades and turns out to be a very good King, then Varys was right all along. his actions would definitely be seen as different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Lets not forget Euron, he is being set up to be a huge villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Daenerys Targaryen. Roose "Vlad" Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoIaF Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Agree with Varys, but I wouldn't even call him "bad". With LF is easy, because everything he has done is either because he wanted to troll, get even, climb higher or feeling himself a master mind. Those are definitely very selfish reasons. If, at the end, (let's just pretend it), Aegon succeeds and he remains King, ruling for decades and turns out to be a very good King, then Varys was right all along. his actions would definitely be seen as different. Are you sating that in this instance the means would justify the end? I'm unsure of that given everything that's happened, even with a somewhat positive outcome(which I doubt). But we'll see I suppose. Daenerys Targaryen. Our short friendship is now over. How dare you badmouth our Silver Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Baelish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Our short friendship is now over. How dare you badmouth our Silver Queen. I was just trying to see what kind of reaction I would get. For you...I revise my previous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Lets not forget Euron, he is being set up to be a huge villain. "complex" though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoIaF Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I was just trying to see what kind of reaction I would get. For you...I revise my previous statement. Please don't, any thread with Dany usually descends into chaos. Let's try to keep this civil. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Jon Snow Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Please don't, any thread with Dany usually descends into chaos. Let's try to keep this civil. :cheers: I revised my response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Are you sating that in this instance the means would justify the end? I'm unsure of that given everything that's happened, even with a somewhat positive outcome(which I doubt). But we'll see I suppose. Nope. I definitely don't believe on that. But, just because a person does bad things, doesn't necessarily mean they are villains. But yes, we need to wait what waits for Varys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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