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Ebola part 3: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T PANIC!


Ser Scot A Ellison

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You can add Canada to the list of first world countries instituting a travel ban.





Canada on Friday stopped issuing visas to people from the West African countries at the heart of the Ebola outbreak.


Immigration authorities said they made the decision because "the introduction or spread of the disease would pose an imminent and severe risk to public health in Canada."



Say what you will about US quarantine rules, at least we are still letting people come over. That said, if the epidemic continues to grow in West Africa, it seems inevitable that more countries will start instituting these types of travel bans or quarantine rules.


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Good to see a judge refusing to cater to fear and ignorance.

Less than a day after restricting the movements of a nurse who treated Ebola victims in West Africa, a judge in Maine has lifted the measures, rejecting arguments by the State of Maine that a quarantine was necessary to protect the public.

Within an hour of the decision, state troopers who had been parked outside the nurses house for days had left.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/01/us/ebola-maine-nurse-kaci-hickox.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone

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Australia has gone considerably further than New York and New Jersey: not just people who have been in contact with patients, but basically everyone from the affected countries:

It's somewhat surprising since I haven't heard of any cases there yet and in the US, quarantine was not a plausible option prior to local cases.

I hate Abbott. :(
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We live in what is, in many ways, a sad sad world. The fact that people believe this stuff is proof of that. I have no doubt the powers that be have a vested interest in depopulation and establishing complete iron clad control over the remaining population. They would prefer us to be frightened sheep. However, I don't see how inventing a disease with the aim of vaccinating people against it accomplishes that goal when Americans, especially, have shown that you can control people simply by turning them into coach potatoes.

Had a conversation with Mrs.Chicken about this at breakfast.

We live in a sane little, mostly Fox News free liberal enclave so she thinks there's no panic about ebola. I mentioned a vaccine in progress that I heard about on NPR. She thought there would be more fear of the vaccine than fear of ebola.

I agree there's a lot of anti vaccine concern in America, but is it really anywhere near as bad as the fear of ebola?

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I agree there's a lot of anti vaccine concern in America, but is it really anywhere near as bad as the fear of ebola?

Depend on what you mean by "bad". One cause unnecessary infringement of liberty on a relative small number of people, the other cause death and suffering due to the re-emergence of previously combated diseases.

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This is a little story I posted on TTTNE a couple days ago:



Speaking of falling apart . . .


We have a weird, weird story going on locally. Somehow our state authorities found out that a homeless man from here was in the part of Africa where the ebola epidemic is happening (still not clear how he got there). Federal authorities alerted the state when he was boarding a flight back to the USA. State health officials then met him at JFK in New York and drove him back to the state where he's in "voluntary" quarantine.


Now this is where things get even more interesting. He had been wandering around from hospital to hospital in Africa where ebola was being treated. Turns out he not only has some sort of medical degree he got in the D.R., but he's written a book. It's about the use of time travel in medicine, and he describes himself as a bridger of worlds and bringer of death or life as the case may be . . .

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Depend on what you mean by "bad". One cause unnecessary infringement of liberty on a relative small number of people, the other cause death and suffering due to the re-emergence of previously combated diseases.

I was simply talking about perceptions.

If a pollster were to ask America, "which do you fear most, ebola or an (as yet undeveloped) ebola vaccine?" what would that result be?

My guess is you'd get about 25% neutral (don't know, or fear them both equally, or not afraid of either), 25% fear the vaccine more and 50% fear ebola more.

I hope the 25% fearing the vaccine is way high.

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First point, not American.

Honestly, I'd fear the vaccine more at this point. I think the likelihood of contracting Ebola is minuscule and any vax wouldn't be appropriately trialed and tested at the moment. So, I'd say no vaccine I'll take my chances.

Please note I am not anti vax, will be getting my flu jab shortly. I voluntarily got a meningitis jab as a teen and will throw pretty much everything at my kid, but an Ebola vaccine is a pointless risk in my opinion.

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There is very little reason to fear an Ebola vaccine. Most people won't get the chance have it.



even after developing a vaccine it takes ages to make enough to give to the general population, and the first general population to be given it will be the the West African ones where it can do the most good. Yes we will give it to our people over there or going over there first.



we will probably also give it to the specialist Ebola treatment hospitals.



we might give it to flight staff on planes going to/from infected countries



we may give it to other emergency health care workers.



but most of it will either be given out in west Africa to contain/stop the disease or possibly stockpiled (for targeted deployment when we get a new case)





There is absolutely no reason to even attempt to give it to the general population of any country where there are only a couple of isolated cases even if we had enough vaccine to do that.



We don't give vaccine's to diseases now to people living in places where those diseases are. (Yellow Fever, Malaria, Hepatitis ect) But they are available if you visit effected countries. And these vaccines have already be tested and developed.


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(Yellow Fever, Malaria, Hepatitis ect) But they are available if you visit effected countries. And these vaccines have already be tested and developed.

Just FYI there is no vaccine for malaria.

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You can add Canada to the list of first world countries instituting a travel ban.

Say what you will about US quarantine rules, at least we are still letting people come over. That said, if the epidemic continues to grow in West Africa, it seems inevitable that more countries will start instituting these types of travel bans or quarantine rules.

Harper. That is all.

I hate Abbott. :(

I feel your pain.

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Isn't there? I thought there was a short term one now you can take instead of having to take pills every day. Maybe its still in development, I remember it cos I can't swallow pills and I do want to visit some parts of the world where Malaria is.

You can't do this with all pills, but some pills can be crushed and then sprinkled on a kind of soft wet food like apple sauce.

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My my my, how this thread has fallen silent. What happened to all the fear mongering?

Sadly for Africans, No new American cases means a disinterested American public.

What's sad is the lack of sufficient government action by the US and other nations to address the crisis in West Africa. I've been bringing it up for a long time now, but few people appear to care, or maybe they think the threat there isn't that bad and is overstated. Apparently, it's just more fear mongering to claim that things are out of control in West Africa.

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What's sad is the lack of sufficient government action by the US and other nations to address the crisis in West Africa. I've been bringing it up for a long time now, but few people appear to care, or maybe they think the threat there isn't that bad and is overstated. Apparently, it's just more fear mongering to claim that things are out of control in West Africa.

No, see, its really, really bad in west Africa, seemingly. And yet, the people saying that are also, typically, the people saying "shut up, its fine in the US" because they're the people who are actually trying to deal with it in west Africa.

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What's sad is the lack of sufficient government action by the US and other nations to address the crisis in West Africa. I've been bringing it up for a long time now, but few people appear to care, or maybe they think the threat there isn't that bad and is overstated. Apparently, it's just more fear mongering to claim that things are out of control in West Africa.

Well, as soon as some more white people are in danger of being exposed we'll see an uptick of interest. I was flamed for saying that two months ago, but its fucking true.

And i totally agree with you in one regard, it's a travesty how silent the majority of the world is in regards to West Africa. America, Europe, China...these are our world leaders? What kind of future are we building towards? I'm glad im in my 30's, i'd hate to be a teenager coming of age in these times.

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