It-was-koff-the-Pie-koff Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's some really sick stuff I just noticed on a re-read. In Bran's first chapter in ADWD. Everyone is cold and starving. When they make camp at that little hut, Bran wargs into Summer and goes exploring. As Summer he finds bodies of Nights Watch; their clothes and bodies already torn to get at the meat below. You automatically assume it was an animal most likely One Eye and co. but they show up after Summer. Anyway, Bran returns to his body to find everyone eating and Meera says that Coldhands found sow to eat. That's funny cause Summer was just out there and he didn't smell one...and neither did One Eye, all they found was men. Men that had already been torn... Bravo George, bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiko Dragonhorn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Or those men brought some pork from Craster's, since his secret larder was what started the fight there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It-was-koff-the-Pie-koff Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Or those men brought some pork from Craster's, since his secret larder was what started the fight there in the first place. I don't think they're that far from the wall. Didn't it take them two weeks to get there? Besides who would go back to Craster's after what happened there? And another thing, wouldn't Mance's host have cleaned them out on the way down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Maybe the pig escaped, and Coldhands killed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It-was-koff-the-Pie-koff Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Maybe the pig escaped, and Coldhands killed it.Then the wolves would've found it. Haha looking into it it matches perfectly with the prologue. Bran is an abomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Then the wolves would've found it. Haha looking into it it matches perfectly with the prologue. Bran is an abomination. No they wouldn't have. See hunting works like this: you hunt the animal, you kill the animal, you take it with you. What you don't do is leave it for other animals to eat (or for the Others to wight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It-was-koff-the-Pie-koff Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 No they wouldn't have. See hunting works like this: you hunt the animal, you kill the animal, you take it with you. What you don't do is leave it for other animals to eat (or for the Others to wight). Meera says he found sow. Yet there's never mention of a pig corpse. Like I said it's a theory, it could be either one. Me, I think Coldhands brought flesh of men to eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 They had a long pig luau. It is known. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/63159-omg-omg-omg-bran-meera-jojen-and-hodor-eat-people/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/98106-did-coldhands-feed-them-human-flesh/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/99354-bran-the-cannibal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's pretty clear that Coldhands brought them human flesh to eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Meera says he found sow. Yet there's never mention of a pig corpse. Like I said it's a theory, it could be either one. Me, I think Coldhands brought flesh of men to eat. There wouldn't be mention of a corpse. After taking the meat off he would have burned what was left to keep the Others from wighting the pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It-was-koff-the-Pie-koff Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 There wouldn't be mention of a corpse. After taking the meat off he would have burned what was left to keep the Others from wighting the pig. Hahaha what's a pig gonna do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 The most important thing is that Summer hadn't been able to smell game for days. Ergo Coldhands finding a sow that Summer and One-eye both can't smell is highly unlikely. If Coldhands merely found pork that the mutineers were carrying why would he lie and claim a sow? And you can rule out the mutineers carrying a sow from Crasters because Craster didn't have any live pigs when the mutiny occurred, and on top of that the mutineers were following Bran and co, why else follow them if not to kill the Elk for desperately needed food?IMO the evidence for humans is greater than the evidence for actual pork or sow. And as someone said, it links quite nicely to Varamyrs prologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I wouldn't even call that a theory. It's perfectly clear that cold hands brought back human meat. Where the hell would he have found a pig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiko Dragonhorn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I don't think they're that far from the wall. Didn't it take them two weeks to get there? No clue what you're trying to say here... where else do you think those men came from? It has been a while since Craster's, those men could have been there for a long time and left recently, or been moving about for a long time and happened to be in the same area as Bran. Either way we know that they were indeed there. Besides who would go back to Craster's after what happened there? Go back? Some men stayed there, these could have been some of them - perhaps at some point they decided to leave. Again, who else would they be if not men from Craster's? Do you think they're rangers from the Shadow Tower or something? wouldn't Mance's host have cleaned them out on the way down? Maybe that's why they left Crasters? Or maybe not. Who knows. Again all we know is they were in Bran's area, and are likely the men from Crasters, where there were pigs and goats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Again all we know is they were in Bran's area, and are likely the men from Crasters, where there were pigs and goats. There were no pigs and goats at Crasters when the mutiny occurs. That's sort of why it occurs; they think Craster is hiding meat harvested from pigs and goats. But again, if Crasters got so much meat available, why would the mutineers venture away from all that meat and head north following 3 children, two men, an elk and a direwolf? Did they just fancy a stroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire to Ser Pounce Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Yeeeeah, there are several instances of cannibalism happening in ADwD. Stannis' men, Frey pies...and the meat Coldhands brings back. "Finding a sow" is so ridiculously convenient that the author is pretty much looking the reader in the eye and saying "You should be skeptical of this answer that Coldhands is offering." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiko Dragonhorn Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 if Crasters got so much meat available, why would the mutineers venture away from all that meat and head north following 3 children, two men, an elk and a direwolf? Did they just fancy a stroll? Maybe they did the math and realized the last pig wasn't going to feed 20 people for several years of winter, so they ditched the others and took the pig for themselves while they looked for another supply of food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Then the wolves would've found it. Haha looking into it it matches perfectly with the prologue. Bran is an abomination. He still has to have sex as an animal, but given how he's still a prepubescent boy, I sincerely hope GRRM doesn't go that route And yes, they've eaten men. Brothers of the Night's Watch to be precise, either lost rangers or deserters from Craster's, the latter more likely than the former Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Maybe they did the math and realized the last pig wasn't going to feed 20 people for several years of winter, so they ditched the others and took the pig for themselves while they looked for another supply of food. Maybe, except lolwoops Summer can smell the men following them but not the pig they are carrying? Sounds suspiciously convenient for the "it was real" theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 There wouldn't be mention of a corpse. After taking the meat off he would have burned what was left to keep the Others from wighting the pig.Or fed it to his ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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