HosteenOsteen Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 1) Prologue--featuring Jeyne Westerling, presumably either Blackfish POV or Forley Prester POV2) Barristan I--pep talk3) Tyrion I4) Arianne I--sample chapter 5) Theon--sample chapter released on website 6) Victarion, attested 7) Barristan II--arrival of Victarion, read aloud by GRRM 8) Tyrion II, the chapter on the app 9) Aeron--chapter mentinoed by GRRM 10) Daenerys--out on the Dothraki Sea (not mentioned as existing yet, but presumably a Daenerys chapter comes early) 11) Sansa--chapter mentioned by GRRM12) Arya--Mercy chapter, released13) Arianne II--reported fall of Storm's End to Aegon, read aloud by GRRM now purely speculative 14) Cersei--what happened in KL after Kevan's death--or maybe this is before Mercy chap to set uo Harys Swift mission15) Jamie or Briennee-what happens with Stoneheart16) Davos--what happens with Rickon17) Melisandre, or resurrected or not-dead Jon, what happens at the Wall 18) Samwell, what is happening with Marwyn and in Oldtown 19) Asha or Theon, the battle at WInterfell20) Another POV of battle of Winterfell, maybe Davos arriving on scene, presumably defeat of Ramsay....21) Tyrion III, Barristan Ii, or VIctarion II gibing outcome of battle of Meereen )presumably defeat of Yunka'i) Now most of this is totally speculative, but just to start off discussion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oegon Targaryen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 For some reason this post, more than any other about WoW, has got me really really excited. Fwiw, I think your chapter prediction is very solid indeed. I notice that there's nothing from the Wall or Bran in your list? Is there any reason you think those stories will be held back to much later in the book? Also I reckon another chapter in Dorne that's not Arianne - maybe Areo listening in on an important discussion between Doran and someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oegon Targaryen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Argh, just noticed you did have a Mel/Jon chapter....sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HosteenOsteen Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think Areo will have at least one more POV, I know for many he is the least favorite POV..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks of Winter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Good work OP, I know there is some speculation so I wont bother arguing one way or the other. It's very possible. :cheers: First thing I thought after reading this was how many pages would that be roughly. After doing a little research on the web, and assuming an average of 13 pages per chapter, that comes to 273 pages. So plenty more to happen after this !! :cool4: :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esa1996 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Good work OP, I know there is some speculation so I wont bother arguing one way or the other. It's very possible. :cheers: First thing I thought after reading this was how many pages would that be roughly. After doing a little research on the web, and assuming an average of 13 pages per chapter, that comes to 273 pages. So plenty more to happen after this !! :cool4: :cool4: Don't know what research you did but I got it to amount to a total of 360 pages. The difference in our numbers comes from, I think, the page counts of the books. I don't trust the page counts found in the books as they lie. A good example of this is between the Malazan books 6 and 10. Book six has 1232 pages and 363 000 words (With an average of 300 words per page it would be 1210 pages long), whereas book 10 is only 1200 pages while it has a word count of 412 000 words (1373 pages) meaning it's 163 pages longer than book 6 but it still has less pages on the paper version. Counting by the 300 words per page average, the ASOIAF series is 5900 pages long. According to AWOIAF the series has a total of 344 chapters. This would make the average chapter length 17 pages. The longest chapters are in AFFC (21 pages) and the shortest in AGOT (14 pages). Oh, and to have some reference in how long the book will come to be in the end. Martin has said it will be around the same length as ASOS and ADWD which are 424 000 and 422 000 words or 1413 and 1407 pages. A bit over a thousand pages should be left by the end of the OP's chapter listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starks of Winter Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Hi Essa1996, The figures I got were from someone who did statistical research on pages per chapter. The average was around 13. Obviously if the statistical research done is incorrect then my post is incorrect. However the point being, with all the chapters mentioned in the OP, and assuming a 1400 to 1500 page length we still have a lot of story to be told. Even if we take your 360 pages at 17 pages per chapter, it's still over 1000 pages of story we can only speculate on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyll.Ing. Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 This really underlines how many plot threads there are to keep track of here. Of the twenty first chapters, according to your guess, there are 17 POVs, describing 14 different plots/situations (as far as I could count). That's some serious spreading right there. Myself, I wouldn't count on Daenerys, Sam, Jaime/Brienne or possibly even Arya's chapters being that early. I think Martin would focus on sorting out two or three situations and establish some sort of arc for the characters to cover during the book, before starting to untangle the rest of the plot threads. Having two hundred pages between each chapter focusing on the same problem would be really confusing, and it wouldn't exactly help furthering the plot much. At the same time, there are a LOT of plot threads to be solved during these last couple of books, and at some point they'll have to be terminated or merge into another. And, sad to say, so far we haven't seen many of those terminations or merges. Maybe you could count Ned's quest to find out the deal with Robert's bastards, Renly's little story arc, Quentyn's ditto, or Robb's attempts to make himself a kingdom, but otherwise Martin has kept piling up story arcs without creating any ends to them. Oh well, let's hope for an elegant solution to the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I do not fully agree with your list. I believe he will try to quickly finish the two large battles and then return to the regular switchin POV structure. This is how I would put our known chapters: 1, Prologue - I believe it will be from the POV of Forley Prester, Sybell Spicer or Brynden Tully, and I bet it involves and attack by the Brotherhood Without Banners.2, Victarion - The Ironborn has not yet reached Meereen, so this probably takes place before the other Battle of Meereen chapters.3, Barristan - Quite early in the timeline, for obvious reasons. It's getting started.4, Tyrion - The Ironborn reach Meereen and battle is just getting underway.5, Barristan - Ser Barry notices the Ironborn.6, Tyrion - The Battle of Meereen is now fully underway. This chapter is probably followed by two or three more chapters which details how the battle ends. Probably one Victarion, one Barristan and one Tyrion.10, Theon - Ramsay's attack appears to be imminent, so there might be an Asha chapter just after this one, to detail how Theon's execution and the Battle of Winterfell plays out.12, Arianne - Her first chapter would probably be set rather early, as it's a chapter which sets the stage for following. It's around here where we start catching up to all characters.13, Daenerys - Dealing with the Dothraki.14, Cersei - Trial by combat.15, Jamie or Brienne - Traveling to Lady Stoneheart.16, Melisandre - Fallout at the Wall. Jon dead or in a coma, will only return later on.17, Connington - The Battle of Storm's End. If I recall correctly, Martin claimed he planned to show it to us and Connington is the only viable option for that.18, Davos - At Skagos, looking for Rickon.19, Aeron - Something nasty happening at the Iron Islands.20, Arianne - She learns about the Battle of Storm's End, goes to meet Aegon. Cersei, Jaime/Brienne, Tyrion, Daenerys chapters. ??, Hotah - Going after Darkstar. People will die.??, Sansa - Her first chapter, detailing how things have developed in the Vale. Might be the controversial chapter.??, Arya - Her Mercy chapter.??, Samwell - What has happened at Oldtown since last time. Will probably detail Samwells studies, before ending with a hint of something mayor happening.??, Bran - Some more mystical stuff from Bloodraven, the Children, the Others and stuff.??,??, Jon - Wakes up, ready to kick ass and take names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HosteenOsteen Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 The Holy Goat-- I can see this, esp Mercy being a lot later. I'm not sure he needs all 3 POVs from Meereen to describe the battle though, and he will prob. look to economize POVs as much as he can.... Kyll. ing. Yes, the need for mergers and termination,he will have to start doing this or it will be uncontrollable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The Holy Goat-- I can see this, esp Mercy being a lot later. I'm not sure he needs all 3 POVs from Meereen to describe the battle though, and he will prob. look to economize POVs as much as he can.... Kyll. ing. Yes, the need for mergers and termination,he will have to start doing this or it will be uncontrollable. The Mercy chapter does indeed seem to be quite far into the book. Harys Swyft has reached Braavos, Cersei is seemingly Queen Regent (or somesuch) again, and Arya has been Mercy for so long that she seem completely lost in her character. True about the Battle for Meereen. I believe Victarion will have another chapter though, when Dragonbinder is blown. As for Tyrion and Barristan... well, Victarion will likely be aboard the Iron Victory, so we might need another chapter to describe what's happening beneath the city walls. If Barristan is meant to die in the battle he will likely be the one who will recieve a chapter. If not, then I wager Tyrion will be the one. Also, these chapters will likely be shorter than average (Barristan I and Tyrion II are slighly shorter than average, and Barristan II and Tyrion I seem even shorter than that), so GRRM probably won't lose that much space by having several. Connington and Arianne's storylines might merge, and Jaime and Brienne's as well, at least for a while. Same with Asha/Theon, and Tyrion/Victarion/Barristan. Some, like Connington will likely die soon, and I believe Victarion and Barristan both are in danger. So some merging between POV's and plots will surely occur. There's still alot of room for story left though. Two very large books (perhaps three even). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HosteenOsteen Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 That is a good point about shorter than average chapters, maybe this is how the 'having so many POVs" problem is solved at least for a bit. Yes, I can't think that BOTH Victarion and Barristan will live through to the end of TWOW.l finally be out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l2 0 5 5 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Seems like a lot of the early chapters are ones we've already had access to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Seems like a lot of the early chapters are ones we've already had access to. Yes, the book will open with the two battles already. Martin mentioned this in a convention that it will start after 15 minutes from aDwD while he immediately read the Victarion chapter later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think we'll see Jon/Ghost as the first POV chapter after the prologue. There's no way he'll wait 15+ chapters to show what is happening with Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm quite sure we'll have a Connington chapter quite early but named "Jon", because GRRM likes to fuck up with our minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 1.Prologue 2.Tyrion I3.Theon I4.Arianne I5.Barristan I6.Theon II7.Victarion I8.Barristan II9.Jon Connighton I - Battle of Storms End10.Tyrion II11.Theon III12.Cersei I13.Tyrion III - end of Battle of Meereen14.Arianne II15.Daenerys I16.Bran I17.Tyrion IV - just after the battle18.Melisandre I19.Jaime I - meeting with Lady Stoneheart20.Daenerys II I think Battle of Meereen won't be more than 6 chapters,like siege of King's Landing in CoK.Between the first two Arianne chapters a Jon Connighton chapters is needed to tell the battle of Storms End and Mercy can't be before Cersei I or even II.I doubt we will see any Asha chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm quite sure we'll have a Connington chapter quite early but named "Jon", because GRRM likes to fuck up with our minds. He does like messing with us yes, and doing this would be (an) epic (troll). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBranRickon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 He does like messing with us yes, and doing this would be (an) epic (troll). Indeed he does - I bet he does wait until the middle of the book to resolve Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 You all really think he'll wait that long to show what happens next with Jon, arguably the biggest cliffhanger in the series?For shame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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