Shryke Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I am not a supporter of gamergate at all, but in fairness the anti-gamergaters have been just as guilty of harassment and blatant insults in this whole affair. Both sides have their fair share of extremists, trolls and jerks, and horrible Twitter posts. Both sides have a plenty of people who couldn't care less about games but joined so they can bash and insult or even harass their ideological enemies. Oh really? Do show. I'd love to see the death threats directed at people's families, where they live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Sure, here are a few examples: https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/520754494313754624 https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/514238397653590016 https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/522156760623484928 https://twitter.com/ForemanErik/status/522529173705736192 An article including some other examples: - http://www.inquisitr.com/1548436/gamergate-movement-claims-their-female-lgbt-and-non-white-supporters-are-under-attack/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Sure, here are a few examples: https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/520754494313754624 https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/514238397653590016 https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/522156760623484928 An article including some other examples: - http://www.inquisitr.com/1548436/gamergate-movement-claims-their-female-lgbt-and-non-white-supporters-are-under-attack/ Also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't want to speculate about whether threats like that are real -- as we've seen, it's real shitty when you're threatened and people don't believe you. So I'll just say that if you're being threatened, you should report it to the police, and anyone making threats like that belongs in prison. The police not taking threats seriously remains an issue we don't know how to solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of the Beast Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 TotalBiscuit has some great advice on what do if you receive death threats online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seli Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 TotalBiscuit has some great advice on what do if you receive death threats online. Which makes some sense providing one lives in a functioning country where weapons are rare, belong to a class of people being taken seriously by the police, belong to a class of people that hasn't been threatened into silence for a long time. One thing this set of advice, which I've seen repeated more often, misses is that making these threats public is partly a political move. It is getting the level of harassment and danger out in the open, putting oneself in some more danger in an attempt to improve quality of life for future generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Crashing Waves Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Then buy a gun.Legally, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Harassment and threats are unacceptable from anyone to anyone. If people's addresses are being published the police should take the threats seriously and go after the person making the threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Harassment and threats are unacceptable from anyone to anyone. If people's addresses are being published the police should take the threats seriously and go after the person making the threats. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Harassment and threats are unacceptable from anyone to anyone. If people's addresses are being published the police should take the threats seriously and go after the person making the threats. But Scot you've used the harassment and threats directed at SJWs to condemn the entire gamergate movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Daskool,Yes, because many, if not most, among the Gamergate supporters deflect, diminish, or deny the seriousness of those threats. It is telling, in my opinon, that the person in David's example of a Gamergate supporter getting threats was female.Threats with addresses attached are serious even if made against your favorite charactures, Social Justice Warriors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Yes. It is literally a hate group at this point. The word group is important -- you wouldn't call some random white supremacist a hate group. Even if there's several, acting independently, they aren't related. Compare to the Klan, an organized group that makes plans together. This is a repeat of earlier events, wherein someone attempts to co-opt the language of social justice, but because they regard it as meaningless, do a shit job at it and babble incoherently instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Daskool,Yes, because many, if not most, among the Gamergate supporters deflect, diminish, or deny the seriousness of those threats. It is telling, in my opinoon, that the person in David's example of a Gamergate supporter getting threats was female.Can you point to the stories, articles, blogs, tweets from the anti gamergate crowd condemning the doxxing, harassment and death threats made against gamergate supporters purportedly for their cause? And would you say the lack of such condemnation diminishes, deflects or denies the seriousness of the threats? Btw I would have absolutely no problem providing examples of the opposite. Yes. It is literally a hate group at this point. The word group is important -- you wouldn't call some random white supremacist a hate group. Even if there's several, acting independently, they aren't related. Compare to the Klan, an organized group that makes plans together. This is a repeat of earlier events, wherein someone attempts to co-opt the language of social justice, but because they regard it as meaningless, do a shit job at it and babble incoherently instead.Many, maybe even a majority, of the gamergate movement are left wing progressives. Comparing #gamergate to ISIS or the KKK simply proves how far removed from reality you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Many, maybe even a majority, of the gamergate movement are left wing progressives. Comparing #gamergate to ISIS or the KKK simply proves how far removed from reality you are. I didn't compare #gibberdorf to ISIS. I mentioned the Klan as another example of a hate group, which is 100% appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I didn't compare #gibberdorf to ISIS. I mentioned the Klan as another example of a hate group, which is 100% appropriate. Godwin? Go on....you know you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seli Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I didn't compare #gibberdorf to ISIS. I mentioned the Klan as another example of a hate group, which is 100% appropriate. And apparently that can be supported by an academical style analysis, as pointed out in an opinion piece on Jezebel. <snip to concluding remarks> It's my theory that #Gamergate as a movement is now acting out of fear. After the release of the IRC logs revealing the movement for what it is, the damning mainstream opinion pieces, and a brutal series of PR losses, the movement is now scared, and lashing out at everything that stands to fit the narrative of their perceived aggressors. At this point, there is no dialogue, even though they still say they are trying to promote one. You simply can't have a sane and productive conversation with someone who would be happier if you killed yourself. #Gamergate, as they have treated myself and peers in our industry, is a hate group. This word, again, should not lend them any mystique or credence. Rather it should illuminate the fact that even the most nebulous and inconsistent ideas can proliferate wildly if strung onto the organizational framework of the hate group, which additionally gains a startling amount of power online. #Gamergate is a hate group, and they are all the more dismissible for it. And the longer we treat them otherwise, the longer I fear for our industry's growth. http://jezebel.com/gamergate-trolls-arent-ethics-crusaders-theyre-a-hate-1644984010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 daskool,If the threats against female Gamergaters continue, I'm sure those articles will come. If I had a blog I'd write one. Harassment and threats are wrong, whoever is being targeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 And apparently that can be supported by an academical style analysis, as pointed out in an opinion piece on Jezebel. http://jezebel.com/gamergate-trolls-arent-ethics-crusaders-theyre-a-hate-1644984010 A SJW sociology student concludes that gamergate is a hate group, case closed your honor, bring in the next defendant. Anyway lets not overlook this guy http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/228600-dells-george-reese-compares-gamergate-supporters-to-isis/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 daskool,If the threats against female Gamergaters continue, I'm sure those articles will come. If I had a blog I'd write one. Harassment and threats are wrong, whoever is being targeted.So only threats against females are worth commenting on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 daskool,If the threats against female Gamergaters continue, I'm sure those articles will come. If I had a blog I'd write one. Harassment and threats are wrong, whoever is being targeted.What about the threats against men? Both sides seem to make those with depressing regularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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