Dofs Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Well Robert did hit her in front of Ned and knowing Robert it's quite within his personality to abuse Cersei sexually. Well, Robert almost never had an actual intercourse with her according to Cersei herself so his sexual abuse was not that bad, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamkaran Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I personally really really sympathize with Cersei and wanna to empathize with her in all sides!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I was asking if Robert hitting Cersei in front of Ned happened in the books as well as in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Well, Robert almost never had an actual intercourse with her according to Cersei herself so his sexual abuse was not that bad, I think. Still it was a quite horrible abuse to Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I was asking if Robert hitting Cersei in front of Ned happened in the books as well as in the show. He hit her in the book as well. That actually led to the funniest Ned's joke when she hit Ned, lol. That being said, Cersei herself told to Ned that Robert wasn't really beating her that much or else Jaime would have killed her. Still doesn't excuse Robert at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I was asking if Robert hitting Cersei in front of Ned happened in the books as well as in the show.Like I mentioned before it happened in the books as well. Here's the actual account of the action."Purple with rage, the king lashed out, a vicious backhand blow to the side of the head. She stumbled against the table and fell hard, yet Cersei Lannister did not cry out. Her slender fingers brushed her cheek, where the pale smooth skin was already reddening. On the morrow the bruise would cover half her face."-aGoT Eddard X http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_Game_of_Thrones-Chapter_39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He hit her in the book as well. That actually led to the funniest Ned's joke when she hit Ned, lol. That being said, Cersei herself told to Ned that Robert wasn't really beating her that much or else Jaime would have killed her. Still doesn't excuse Robert at all.Little did we know that Ned possessed a dry sense of humor. He and Stannis would have gotten along fantastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 It appears you weren't all that confused about what I was asking then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 It appears you weren't all that confused about what I was asking thenJust wanted to be clear :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I said claimed, we have seen that he hit her. How is in his personality to rape Cersei? Everyone who slaps someone is a rapist? Or those who like sex means that they are rapists? :ack: He was a coward and hid behind alcohol to justify his behavior according to Cersei which I agree with seeing how his behavior with difficult situations was "fuck it, bring the wine". I'm not saying that people who like sex are rapists, I'm saying that how Robert's a sex addict (having sixteen children is not normal) and a drunk I could see him abusing his "rights" as Cersei's husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Still it was a quite horrible abuse to Cersei. Well, considering that he didn't really have sex with her, I imagine all his abuse consisted of him being drunk, getting on top of Cersei and falling asleep. Obviously not a pleasant experience for any woman when a drunk pig gets on top of you but considering that he almost never actually penetrated her, I guess all those moments were short and not really painful. Just disgusting. At that time many women were in a much worse situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He was a coward and hid behind alcohol to justify his behavior according to Cersei which I agree with seeing how his behavior with difficult situations was "fuck it, bring the wine". I'm not saying that people who like sex are rapists, I'm saying that how Robert's a sex addict (having sixteen children is not normal) and a drunk I could see him abusing his "rights" as Cersei's husband. According to Cersei are the magic words. What she says doesn't make it right. Sex addicts are not rapists. Seeing how he was then it was most into his character to "hire" someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Little did we know that Ned possessed a dry sense of humor. He and Stannis would have gotten along fantastically. Yeah, it's a shame they never met in the books. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morticia Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't see why Robert raping her wouldn't be true though? Who is there for her to lie to? These were her personal reflections on her marriage. I highly doubt she'd lie to herself to make herself feel better for killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hand to King Davos Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Nope. I get that she has pretty bad circumstances, but we are in control of our choices, not our environment. She screwed up bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Of The Night Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't see why Robert raping her wouldn't be true though? Who is there for her to lie to? These were her personal reflections on her marriage. I highly doubt she'd lie to herself to make herself feel better for killing him.She is a pathological liar and a complete sociopath, not a far stretch for her to believe her own lies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't see why Robert raping her wouldn't be true though? Who is there for her to lie to? These were her personal reflections on her marriage. I highly doubt she'd lie to herself to make herself feel better for killing him. She did lied to herself about killing Melara. She is a sociopath and I hate this word, but she is, She lies about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Well, considering that he didn't really have sex with her, I imagine all his abuse consisted of him being drunk, getting on top of Cersei and falling asleep. Obviously not a pleasant experience for any woman when a drunk pig gets on top of you but considering that he almost never actually penetrated her, I guess all those moments were short and not really painful. Just disgusting. At that time many women were in a much worse situation."Usually he rolled off and went to sleep as soon as it was done, and was snoring before his seed could dry upon her thighs. She was always sore afterwards, raw between the legs, her breasts painful from the mauling he would give them...In the first few years, when he mounted her more often, she would close her eyes and pretend he was Rhaegar."-aFfC Cersei VII Since Cersei remembers her being "raw between the legs" I do think that it involved penetration. Later on Cersei uh, "finished" him in other ways, though.EDIT: Minor typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 The best is when she refuses to grasp that she has gained weight in favor of thoughts of torturing servants for making her clothes too tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't see why Robert raping her wouldn't be true though? Who is there for her to lie to? These were her personal reflections on her marriage. I highly doubt she'd lie to herself to make herself feel better for killing him. But she told herself to Ned, that she has never let him touch her for a long time: "If truth be told, I can scarcely bear for him to touch me, and I have not let him inside me for years. I know other ways to pleasure him, when he leaves his whores long enough to stagger up to my bedchamber. Whatever we do, the king is usually so drunk that he's forgotten it all by the next morning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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